I don’t disagree with your ideas abstractly and broadly but I am more focused on material outcomes and the current world, and my knowledge of history and pre-history is enough to know that I don’t know a lot, which means others probably know even less, so I reject deep-history societal comparisons for any purpose other than curiosity and scientific interest.
Humans have historically been slavers as leaders. I demand the necessary incredible evidence to believe the pharoahs were truly benevolent. I am okay with us not knowing for certain if they were horrible god-emperor slaver tyrants or just your run of the mill god-emperor slaver tyrants, but I demand the necessary evidence that they werent slaver tyrants. Humans are humans, no matter the time period, and human leaders are slavers historically
I require more evidence than we currently have to believe the pharoahs werent slavers is all. I firmly believe those farmers were enslaved, and equally those that built the pyramids were enslaved as well. I dont see any reason to believe they had anything we would consider today not slavery.
I woll grant you they might not thought of themselves as slaves, but employed people today with student debt or mortgages dont think theyre slaves either, but I firmly disagree as well on that front.
My definition of slavery is a big tent. We already have terms like chattel slavery to describe the specific kind of slavery that happened in the colonial period that continues to this day and still enslaves people in places around the world away from western eyes
Im only looking back and history and seeing enslavement happening is all, just like people in the future will hopefully look back on today and be like “wow all those americans were enslaved and didn’t even know it!” ya know? No doubt in my mind that the pharoahs wanted to make slavery look appealing as possible, all good employers incentivize hard work ethic, comraderie, overtime etc. Still enslavement imo if youre the bottom rung (the labor forcr)
We. Don’t. Know.
I don’t disagree with your ideas abstractly and broadly but I am more focused on material outcomes and the current world, and my knowledge of history and pre-history is enough to know that I don’t know a lot, which means others probably know even less, so I reject deep-history societal comparisons for any purpose other than curiosity and scientific interest.
Humans have historically been slavers as leaders. I demand the necessary incredible evidence to believe the pharoahs were truly benevolent. I am okay with us not knowing for certain if they were horrible god-emperor slaver tyrants or just your run of the mill god-emperor slaver tyrants, but I demand the necessary evidence that they werent slaver tyrants. Humans are humans, no matter the time period, and human leaders are slavers historically
Who’s saying that?
When did normal discourse become this binary and un-nuanced?
I require more evidence than we currently have to believe the pharoahs werent slavers is all. I firmly believe those farmers were enslaved, and equally those that built the pyramids were enslaved as well. I dont see any reason to believe they had anything we would consider today not slavery.
I woll grant you they might not thought of themselves as slaves, but employed people today with student debt or mortgages dont think theyre slaves either, but I firmly disagree as well on that front.
My definition of slavery is a big tent. We already have terms like chattel slavery to describe the specific kind of slavery that happened in the colonial period that continues to this day and still enslaves people in places around the world away from western eyes
It’s a little late in the game to advocate for the rights of the pyramid builders. But you do you.
Im only looking back and history and seeing enslavement happening is all, just like people in the future will hopefully look back on today and be like “wow all those americans were enslaved and didn’t even know it!” ya know? No doubt in my mind that the pharoahs wanted to make slavery look appealing as possible, all good employers incentivize hard work ethic, comraderie, overtime etc. Still enslavement imo if youre the bottom rung (the labor forcr)