Go look again the OP image that spawned this entire conversation.
You’re gonna tell me that advertising for homocidal fascist goons, as a business model, is not abusive?
That an enshittifying platform that literally sold out so that a couple owners could extract even MORE money out of everyone around them… thats not abusive?
I’m sorry you have a problem with the word coward, but, I am using it correctly, in applying it to your scenario.
Yeah, all your points abouts about why its difficult to leave are valid, its complex when you go into detail, when you take it case by case.
But when you zoom out, and write a memoir or a summary about it… it boils down to, as I already said, either your values of not using an exploitative platform don’t exceed your need for using it, for whatever reason, or, you’re afraid of losing social connections or social standing.
People with strong ties to a reddit community and strong values and courage… could become leaders in trying to orchestrate or encourage an exodus or relocation.
Yeah, rocking the boat to get people’s attention is harder than pretending it isn’t sinking.
If you’re comparing ads on Reddit, even for a fascist organization, to a boyfriend/husband who beats his partner bloody, I’m sorry but you’ve lost me. How many people do you think even see ads on Reddit? Most people block ads these days.
If you want to zoom out, zoom all the way out. Listen to Mark Carney’s speech. The so-called liberal rules-based international order was always built on hypocrisy. A willingness on the part of liberal democratic countries to tolerate and even participate in the violation of the rights of others, while decrying the overreach of totalitarians who in turn laugh and point out our hypocrisy.
The appeal to hypocrisy and cowardice won’t achieve any of your goals. If anything it’ll only encourage people to dig in their heels and resist migration. After all, why would they want to leave their community and come here when it’s clear they won’t be welcome?
Go look again the OP image that spawned this entire conversation.
You’re gonna tell me that advertising for homocidal fascist goons, as a business model, is not abusive?
That an enshittifying platform that literally sold out so that a couple owners could extract even MORE money out of everyone around them… thats not abusive?
I’m sorry you have a problem with the word coward, but, I am using it correctly, in applying it to your scenario.
Yeah, all your points abouts about why its difficult to leave are valid, its complex when you go into detail, when you take it case by case.
But when you zoom out, and write a memoir or a summary about it… it boils down to, as I already said, either your values of not using an exploitative platform don’t exceed your need for using it, for whatever reason, or, you’re afraid of losing social connections or social standing.
People with strong ties to a reddit community and strong values and courage… could become leaders in trying to orchestrate or encourage an exodus or relocation.
Yeah, rocking the boat to get people’s attention is harder than pretending it isn’t sinking.
If you’re comparing ads on Reddit, even for a fascist organization, to a boyfriend/husband who beats his partner bloody, I’m sorry but you’ve lost me. How many people do you think even see ads on Reddit? Most people block ads these days.
If you want to zoom out, zoom all the way out. Listen to Mark Carney’s speech. The so-called liberal rules-based international order was always built on hypocrisy. A willingness on the part of liberal democratic countries to tolerate and even participate in the violation of the rights of others, while decrying the overreach of totalitarians who in turn laugh and point out our hypocrisy.
The appeal to hypocrisy and cowardice won’t achieve any of your goals. If anything it’ll only encourage people to dig in their heels and resist migration. After all, why would they want to leave their community and come here when it’s clear they won’t be welcome?
Appeal to hypocrisy and cowardice?
You think I’m arguing this… as rhetorically convincing way of…migrating people… to another … position?
We’re not on reddit. I don’t talk to redditors.
Because I think the vast majority of them are willing participants in a destructive and abusive system.
I’m not doing PR, I’m using a word to accurately the vast majority of such people in the situation you described.
I’m… not going to constantly police my speech to be some kind of maximally appealling and welcoming to everyone.
I say what I think.
If that upsets you, I don’t care, block me, please.
I’m not a politician trying to craft a maximally acceptable political message.
If you want that kind of social environment… go back to the reddit hivemind.
You are one cynical, miserable human being. I hope one day your life gets better than it is now. Wow!