Unfortunately, you’d have to actually make a left and right hand version… ‘hand agnostic’ wouldn’t work with this kind of design.

Imagine a non reversible hand agnostic glove.

Hope your thumb and pinky are identical, on each hand, just swapped.

Mirroring the entire hand isn’t the same as a hand being symmetrical.

… you could perhaps try to model a mouse around a pistol grip or flight stick… not sure if that would be doable to work out to the correct wrist angles though?

Hrm.

Actually, a standard dildo with balls/flared base design might actually work as a kind of basic shape to start from…

… the balls would be the place the pinky side of your hand rests on… then you’d need symmetrical flaring/indentation where either thumb could go… make the left and right click and scroll wheel be along the … would it be dorsal? side of the shaft, have a button or switch elsewhere that can flip button assignment and wheel orientation between left and right handed use. Scroll wheel is horizontal due to grip angle / both handedness.

Then I guess add more bonus buttons the thumb could use.

You’d also have to weight the bottom of this thing to prevent it from toppling, the whole thing would have to be fairly heavy.

And you’d have basically double the amount of buttons as per a particular handed variant…

… design is all about compromises, lol.

Once it clicks, eh?

You can literally bind a button to double click with this one, so theoretically the process should take half as long =P

BILLY MAKES HERE

Ah, no, vertical only.

Ok, actually, I just futzed around with the thing…

You can, apparently, bind a button to ‘Horizontal Scroll’, and what that does is make it so when that button is pressed, the mouse wheel now scrolls horizontally.

… I didn’t even know it could do that lol.

Not sure if that meets your requirements.

I wholly agree.

What I am trying to describe is… that room thought it was done, with Obama getting elected.

They tought that was ‘the end of history’.

I was trying to tell them what you are saying… no, this never ends, you are never safe to rest on your laurels after declaring ideological victory.

… but they did. They ‘won’, that was that, onto the rest of life, making big bucks in an ethical capitalist megacorp… thats what they thought, thats what they did.

Arrogance. Entitlement. Declaring victory far too early, ironically, just like Bush who they all hated.

Those kinds of people… they are our current ‘illiberal liberals’, if that makes sense. They’re actually just class elitists, interested in the appearance of moral superiority, but not the substance of it.

…only now dawns on me that I was different from them: significantly poorer upbringing, but I got excellent grades in spite of it.

… didnt matter in the end though, i ended up poor anyway, because people like them get ‘the ick’ from people like me, calling them on their bullshit, highlighting their privelege in undeniable detail.

A society of entitled narcissists… oh god we are doomed lol.

Yeah haha, ‘casual’ as a word for that… I tried to expand on the meaning confusion via stealth edit, I may not have been fast enough lol.

But yeah, a lot of bog standard dudebro games are not casual in the sense of uh … sweatiness?

But they are casual in the sense of ‘you only have to be casually aware of video games to know… CoD, or Zelda, or Halo’… like, opposed to niche, basically.

You are precisely the kind of exception I was trying to describe.

I know not all console primary gamers pretty much only play games from well known publishers… but most of them mostly do, as you seem to agree.

‘Casuals’, as we used to say, though the vocabulary has changed in the last 20 something years, so thats probably not a great word to use these days, as ‘casual’ is now more of a genre or an attribute, games that tend to not require intense/precise input sequences, or very much thinking, are designed to be low intensity, low frustration.

Back then, we meant it as ‘casually interested in the hobby of gaming’, as opposed to some kind of diehard nerd that was always looking intently for the best or the weirdest or rarest, or something like that.

… No, I haven’t.

i’ve described reality as it is.

I’ve also said that in general, people should be allowed to publically make mistakes and publically learn and grow from them.

If you want lemmy to … actually support truly deletable posts and comments? And also be public facing?

Go redesign it then.

You are ignorant of how the actual mechanisms at play here work, and you’ve decided that me describing them to you is somehow a moral defense of surveillance capitalism.

You can’t have something that is totally public yet is also truly totally redactable at the same time.

You’re just mad that you don’t understand how software works, and lashing out wildly.

I don’t do it because I wish to take part in the construction of an online archive of everything that anyone has ever said that can be easily scanned to profile people, harass them, and for other such fun anti-social uses of technology.

Then stop communicating on any public facing communications platform.

What you said there applies to all of them.

It might be easier, but its also lonlier, and more hostile.

And, some things… some valuable things cannot be bought nor sold.

Apologies, genuienly, even though I’m just a fanboy for this thing.

Like I’ve … I’ve literally begged this company to diversify and expand from this mouse model.

I suggested they do like a more expensive ‘gamer’ version that has a higher polling rate, a left handed version, maybe figure out how to do swappable body kit parts to dial in the kind of grip you want.

I genuienly do not understand how they can make and sell this thing at $30. Nothing comparable exists in that price range, that I am aware of.

They’re sitting on an incredible design they could potentially expand on.

Not that I am immediately aware of no, not from this company.

Personally I’m not a trackball guy, not to knock it as a concept, I’ve tried and used a few… I just don’t know much about em.

https://ergodriven.com/products/the-vertical-handshake-mouse

No joke, I am genuienly shilling this thing unprompted, I absolutely love it.

$30.

Toggleable DPI.

Multiple custom bindable buttons that are done entirely on the mouse itself, no required software for your pc, so its compatible with anything.

2.4 ghz, or BT, or wired, whatever you want.

The literal only downside to this thing is… it could have a fancier pantsier polling rate, if you also wanted to use it for competetive gaming.

But honestly you’d have to be in like the top 10-20% of fps competitive gamers for that to make any difference.

This thing is fucking magic, and a steal at $30, I can only imagine it isn’t more popular because there’s no marketing budget behind it.

EDIT:

I guess I should also note that if you have large hands, this may not work for you so well. Small to Medium? Works great!

But if you have big hands, yeah it may be too small, and unfortunately I think they only offer the one size.

From index tip to thumb pad, my hand is about 7" or ~18cm, … if your hand is maybe larger than 8" or ~21cm, your bear mitts might be a bit much for this mouse, but if your hand is smaller than that, please join the cult lol, your wrist will thank you.

Someone elses idiocy can be your guide to wisdom.

Judging from the current vote counts on my comment, I’m apparently doing that right now, lol

I guess being accountable for the things you say, and being aware that govts and megacorps archive everything already… these are apparently significantly unpopular ideas.

… you don’t get it.

If you made a post, on lemmy, and then deleted it?

… you didn’t actually delete it.

Somebody already archived it. Some three letter organization, probably many of them, and they often talk to each other.

An undelete instance would just make that more obvious to more people.

If you’re worried about persecution due to being a minority or supporting them… you need to actually learn how to secure your online communications, you need to figure out how to effectively seperate your real identity from your online one.

Lemmy is public.

Anyone can archive the entire thing, at any time. If you are worried about the fascists, as you should be, you need to learn actual security and privacy practices.

… the internet is forever.

The doorkickers aren’t going to care that you ‘deleted’ your post after they already made a copy of it.

I support this.

People need to deal with their own bullshit, and also understand that… the internet is forever.

Take some accountability and grow from a mistake, and foster a culture where its normal to be stupid and wrong about some things, and then grow… none of this bs ‘i have never had a bad take’ nonsense.

If you want something to be temporary, figure out how to say it in an actually temporary, disposable way.

Yep, well said.

I remember the… genuine glee amongst those I was with, back in college, when Obama won.

People really thought he was gonna fix everything. I was skeptical.

I was saying we needed ranked choice voting, some kind of massive overhaul to the entire Federal election system. People acted like I was speaking an alien language.

… so anyway Obama did some good, fair bit of bad, not enough to actually change the course… squandered the only possible moment where Citizens United could have been countermanded by a law he could have demanded the Dem trifecta push.

Now I contrast that moment, with the hellscape we are in, and causing globally, now.

Most of those people in that room? Went on to work for big tech firms, and more recently, get laid off.

As a people, us Americans got high on our own supply, and now things are so bad that if back then, in that room, I told them what is now happening, would happen?

They’d have not only shunned me but also actively spread rumors to ruin my reputation.

… yeah, I… I like some Americans, but generally speaking? I’m with David Bowie, I’m Afraid of Americans.

Its basically just a malignant narcissist flag.

David Lynch is going to haunt you.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DV9AUSHXWF8

Lets be real:

Most console gamers, console primary gamers… have no idea what an indie game even actually is, let alone how many of them there really are.

(Indie means self-published, btw… Independent -> Indie)

The expections to this are the ones that specifically hunt for really niche, not advertised things, or go hard into emulators.

Only true console peasants are in hysterical despair right now, or denial, or whatever stage of grief.

If your brain can only process passive consumption, if you’re not capable of or willing to actively seek out specific games, find out which ones actually jive with you, put in some effort?

Then you have an abusive parasocial relationship with a or multiple corporate entities, which is mostly just sad.

Maybe try like, actually talking to someone, an actual person, who actually knows games, instead of just following the herd and listening to marketing branded as ‘journalism’?