… oomwoo?

Sorry, I need to look this up on Squeam.

Hey, on Mreesh, somebody said its a scam!

… But then LikkiiLiikkii says its legit.

Hrm, I wonder what Gronk thinks…

Call me!

… on the line, call me call me any time, call me!

?

Water is a resistive surface, you can land on it.

Generally, this will… not exactly go swimmingly, and most aircraft will sink soon afterward, if they don’t tear themselves apart in the landing process… but in some situations, it is possible.

There are also a fair number of aircraft that are intentionally designed to be able to take off and land from water.

You have perhaps heard of a seaplane?

You people should really smile more.

… this all is immensely funny, watching an entire species ecocide itself, and most of the rest of the planet, ultimately because we are too … cowardly, lazy, neurotic, greedy, take your pick, to do what would need to be done to stop it.

But that’s the joke!

The human condition.

That is the joke.

… why are we so serious?

What is all that worry and concern gonna accomplish?

Do you have an actual thing you could do, to make things better in some way, for yourself, for others?

If no: There’s nothing you can do, worrying is pointless.

If yes: Just do that then.

Don’t be deluded that you’re guaranteed, or even likely to be sucessful. That is arrogance. But there is value in trying to do the right thing, even when it seems hopeless.

Don’t worry about what is unavoidable… it will always get you, eventually. The anticipation only makes it worse, and, paradoxically… makes it more inevitable, by wasting your energy that could be spent on doing instead be spent on worrying.

Hey, at least the warning panel is still there, and you can see it.

It can, in fact, always be worse.

force chokes you, but only a little bit

Popularity is about personal marketing.

Competency is not.

How many scientists have you heard of who made groundbreaking discoveries in the last year?

vs…

How many extremely rich idiots do you hear about, and from, on an essentially constant basis?

I have altered the context of the joke, pray I do not alter it further.

Wha-

Floppies are thinner than CDs.

They’re just not nudists.

The Enrichment Center reminds you that the Weighted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak.

99% certain this is what will end up happening.

Its not even a 180.

Its… you used our IP without asking, please go to the back of the line, fill out the form where you properly ask for permission to use it, and wait in the queue again.

All they had to do was ask permission first.

They only want downvotes in specific situations.

To help them tune things.

They don’t generally want downvotes, because that breaks the way they want suggestability to work.

Its much harder for the algo to do its job when it tries to reverse engineer ‘why did this person downvote this?’

But when it specifically wants to ask you that, it will.

Its job is to serve you an endless feed of ‘close enough’. Not an endless feed of ‘hey i actually like this’.

Basically yes, Nouveau drivers should work with basically any kernel… I think. Its been years since I tried to run linux on an nvidia GPU, but basically they should work.

No clue how they will performance compare to Windows though… every body I’m aware of that does detailed linux gaming benchmarks, they don’t use Nouveau, because AI UpSlaLInG! Cutting edge graphics!

But yes, try Nouveau, might work for your situation.

Ah thank you for the history update on Squad and related things!

Once upon a time, I was one of the first, fairly long term beta testers for Project Reality… waaaaay back when it was just a mod for BF2, before something like half the team formed into OffWorld, made Squad.

I distinctly remember basically reverse engineering one testing session… that dbzao had made a simple character handling mistske that was breaking the entire kit/squad system, before the 0.5 release. Basically, he forgot that player names can have non-alphanumeric characters in them. Any time they did, those players could request infinite numbers of any kit, probably because somewhere, he wasn’t handling strings properly in python.

He screamed curses i did not understand, when he double checked the code and realized that simple mistake had been the last blocker for the 0.5 release, lol.

As to your pc/game performance… you could find and run… some linux distro, that is built around a kernel from around the same time as your last good/stable Nvidia drivers on Windows.

It might be that Nvidia just fundamentally fucked their drivers for older cards, and carried that forward into Linux as well, where with your hardware, its… even more fucked, basically.

Looks like that would be… either R535 ot R550?

Which… I think means that you want to find a Linux distro that is based around v6.15 or lower of the Linux kernel.

Which I think would give you potentially better performing on your hardware distros of:

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS

Debian Stable 12 ‘Bookworm’

Fedora 38, 39, 40

Arch-LTS

Linux Mint 22

PopOS! 22.04 LTS

… there are probably more options than this, there are… /a lot/ of linux distros.

But yeah, unfortunately in your case, most ‘gaming oriented’ distros use a pretty modern Kernel, to be able to support more modern gaming hardware. Some of them may offer a kind of LTS/legacy variant of themselves, but I’m not aware of any off the top of my head.

You having older hardware, but still quite gaming capable… yeah, probably go with one from that list above, and … it might/should work better?

Nvidia will probably yell at you to force you to upgrade your kernel if you just try and do things their ‘normal’ way for their linux drivers… so… you may have to figure out a specific way to get a specific kernel compatible version of the linux drivers installed.

Because if you let the normal Nvidia drivers… jump your kernel to a new version… on an older or LTS distro… that will basicslly break most or all of your OS.

Here’s Nvidia’s extremely user friendly linux driver archive:

x86_64:

https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/

Arch64:

https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-aarch64/

Alternatively… you might just try the Nouveau drivers. You having a 30 series GPU… I think Nouveau should work at least decently well, as… their shit works much more reliably on hardware that has been around longer, though you’d likely lose DLSS and FrameGen and such.

Well… ok, let me try to respond broadly, first, then more narrowly, second.

Nvidia drivers are also shit on Linux.

To install Nvidia drivers on Linux, you actually have to install an entire custom kernel, much of which is propietary, not open source, other people cannot see the actual code.

This means that you basically have to pick a particular Nvidia driver/kernel, and build a Linux OS around it… with the added difficulty of… if Nvidia updates its drivers, well now the OS has to check literally every possible thing they could have changed, while not being able to directly see those things that may or may not have changed.

This… is significantly harder to do to a 100% OS stability/functionality assured level… than with AMD, who open sources their entire Linux drivers.

(I am not sure what the status is here for Intel GPUs)

So, yeah, basically, a shitty broken Nvidia driver update, on Linux, in comparison to Windows, has the additional capacity to potentially break literally all of your OS.

There is an open source version of Nvidia drivers, the Nouveau drivers, that are much more broadly compatible with various Linux distros… but its basically unofficial, a bunch of people trying to reverse engineer the official, blackbox, propietary Nvidia drivers.

So… it usually significantly lags behind the propietary drivers in terms of up to date features and optimization and newer game support.

There’s a good write up on this here, if you eant more details:

https://machaddr.substack.com/p/nouveau-vs-nvidia-the-battle-between

So, IMO, a more sane approach than just going bleeding edge with your Nvidia driver/kernel, is to use an OS that semi-regularly rebases itself around the latest stable Nvidia driver/kernel.

Of the OSs you listed, Bazzite is the most straight forward and also reliable, in that way.

Debian is exceedingly stable, but, requires you to learn learn how to use it properly… you have to find an Nvidia driver/kernel that is basically compatible with your version of Debian, then stick with that untill Debian does a full new version of itself, about once a year I think.

Nobara and Cachy are basically bleeding edge; more frequent updates to latest Nvidia versions, but also this means greater chance something breaks and doesn’t get noticed or fixed for a bit.

Now to try to be more specific:

When you say you only ran into timezone issues on ‘fedora’, do you mean standard mainline fedora?

Or does that include Nobara and Bazzite? They are both based on Fedora, basically customized versions of Fedora.

You also say your main use case concern here is WarThunder and Squad 44, the latter I think meaning the WW2 submod of Squad? Or is it actuslly a fully distinct game at this point… I haven’t kept up.

(Ah, apparently it is its own thing now!)

So anyway… both of those use kernel level anticheat.

Kernel level anticheat tends to not play super well with Linux. Because… well now we have another thing fucking with the kernel, in addition to Nvidia!

Another thing that is not open source, that is a black box, that works in ways other people don’t know about, and can again change something rather important, which can potentially break a lot of other things.

It is hard to build an OS around kernel cores when the kernel itself is a mystery to those designing the OS.

While Squad proper implements EAC in a way that does work on Linux, Squad 44 doesn’t appear to. So, Offworld would have to… do that.

WarThunder on the other hand implements BattleEye in a way that works on Linux, but my guess would be they have not prioritized optimizing it much.

I dunno, what uh… what kinds of frame rate and such differences were you getting on which OS and which gfx settings vs … same gfx settings on Win10 or Win11?

Ok so ‘I think’ is not the same as ‘yes I tested it and I know’.

But anyway… yeah you’d have to give a more detailed description of… well, pick one particular attempt at an OS install, and specifically describe what did or did not work, with that one.

I’m not trying to be an ass, but its basically impossible to troubleshoot when the info you have is ‘i tried a bunch of things and they all didn’t work in different ways’.

Gotta be able to go through an actual diagnosis of a defined scenario.

No, that person is a cartoon.

So… the PayDay devs have … basically admitted PayDay 3 was a mistake… and are going back to PayDay 2…

I may have an idea for some new heist content.

Hows your hardware?

Memtest your RAM?

HDD or SSD? How old are they, they got any problems?

If you keep hitting problems on connecting to timezone, it might be your wifi chip / card, could be that its an odd duck that still has driver quirks on linux, + is maybe physically damaged… could lead to a lot of nonsense if you are actually grabbing malformed core files from a not fully offline install.

As I… think has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, you can run Gamescope + Proton + Wayland, and force the refresh rate.

You can do this with xrandr or sometimes some games actually expose it as a thing you can directly configure.

Presumably, you could set this to, for this example, 90, and probably help out the frame timing variance a bit.