cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/10508286
(Stats that show boosting ICE funding is a bipartisan policy)
Yeah make an enemy of your allies. That’s a great strategy
The definition of pearl clutching
Maybe I’m just mostly in lefty circles, but who the fuck wasn’t mad until Renee Goode and Alex Pretti? I’ve been seeing constant rage against ice for a couple of years now atleast.
Completely agree, but I think with Goode and Pretti it gave our team a good hand to play. Like, “hey, all you All Lives Matter people. Where ya at?” and with Pretti specifically, it’s like “Hey, all you 2A folk. Where the fuck ya at?”
I’ve been outraged and outspoken since the beginning, but these two incidents are really heavy hitting cards to play in order to expose hypocritical fascists. Not that it actually matters because these people are brainwashed mental gymists. But I like to think it at least puts cracks in their foundation. It’s caused some amount of infighting, so that’s a step in the right direction.
No, you’re right, plenty were mad before too. There seems to be a new push lately on trying to make this a race issue to divide the left. I’ve seen a major uptick in this framing lately.
If someone favors ICE because it’s a “race issue” they were never on our side to begin with.
You’re right about that! But that’s not what I meant.
What I mean is there’s a seemingly organized effort to create infighting between those against ICE by attempting to create issues and sow discord. It distracts from the real conversation at hand. It’s a common technique to fracture unity on an issue.
Who cares why people are protesting, as long as they are it’s good?
Yeah. As I’ve seen someone else put it, “we’re glad you’re here” is far better than “what took you so long”
Until they go back to brunch after electing Gavin Newsom.
I never get the “we were doing it first” toxicity. Why should it matter why the newcomers were ignorant if they want to join the cause? Why create new enemies just to protect your “pure” reasons? That kind of separationism is exactly what keeps the ones you should focus on in power, and they want it that way. A divided resistance will fail.
Its the cop-in-your-brain, which is of course all of the propaganda of the fascists. This is exactly what they want, and their choice rhetoric has worked its way into the leftist spaces to an extent
I agree with your point, however it’s also frustrating how obvious it was that all the post-9/11 powers we gave the government would be abused.
The PATRIOT Act was a fucking power grab, and obviously was in place in case a crisis came into play. No way something that couldn’t be read in that short a time before approval was written that fast.
In case McZipper Unflies his tight walking two 16’s in a double deck knot-real via some stupid gayMe trick with some cubs over a century old.
Then be like, "Told you so. They made that shit up a dick a half ago and if you think I’m the one then check me in another deck and a half*
Tell Lima I saw the first one too but not with my ice. Just all this natural AC signing it the first time we did it again.
Math, Time, Logic, Lumbly and Love do well advise to swap it for Meth, Magic and Möbius Strip Doors to…
…Drumroll Mofos…
…Eat the Rich…Like a Cruise Pitt.
Because the majority of “leftists” are exclusively online and their entire lives revolve around internet points derived from having the best and purest ideologies
Where do you think the majority of “rightists”, “libertarians”, and “liberals” are spending their time nowadays? The mall? Everybody is terminally online, apparently including you.
True but my political existence actually isn’t and I do stuff irl
Too many people just preach dramatic purity online and nothing else
And as such, too, their idea of what leftism outside their zones becomes distorted by the propaganda mechanisms that benefit primarily their enemies
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Exactly
I always held that the creation of the entire DHS was a slight overreaction to like 20 guys armed with box cutters…
It really was muddled through while Iraq was being drummed up, too. I remember working a protest in 2003 and there being this talk about DHS implementing fascism. At the time I felt the impending war was more important topic, not quite realizing how interconnected it all was.
It’s good that you recognize how interconnected everything is. That’s an important piece of the puzzle. These days it’s that all the oligarchs are pedophiles, engaged in kidnapping immigrant children, and creating crises to justify those kidnappings. Everything is at the same time a distraction from everything else intended to keep you from uniting on what specifically should be protested, and also a genuine component of the overall mechanism by which we’re all tortured
Life of Brian Lumbly.
Whats that story about?
9/11
At least we took care of that rogue kingdom 17 of the highjackers came from who planned and funded the whole thing.
Tbf I was in grade school in 2003 so it’s a bit much to expect me to have been on the “abolish the DHS” train for that long 😆
At the same time, for a lot of us that age it was a fundamental step into understanding “Oh. So our adults are fucking idiots” because we had so many allegedly smart people telling us “well. The PATRIOT Act can’t be that bad and these are changing times. We need to be able to protect ourselves.”
It wasn’t until I went to college that I got good at expressing how specifically something that happened when I was in elementary school was a fundamental affront to my autonomy as a human being, and why that was a threat to everyone everywhere all the time. But it was still a seed that grew within me that we are fundamentally not seen by our government as contributors but as resources
“an entire year of people being ILLEGALLY deported or disappeared” true, state violence against anyone is only okay when it’s done legally, with due process and for the good of the national people’s
Like I’ve said before, expecting empathy was just silly, these people and their ancestors have been empire-building forever and, if they express any moral values, don’t think of them as anything but decorative disinfo cause what they really believe in is “might makes right”… There’s always one here and there, the thinking dissidents with moral frameworks like miss Greta, Francesca Albanese and John Brown but not a plurality. Selfish fear? Now that we can trust, lol.
these people and their ancestors
So if I’m the wrong skin color and have past relatives who didn’t do anything that made a change, I can’t participate in doing something now? If we could find a movement that had all the morality of the progressives while having the right’s trait to let anyone join who agrees with the cause, we might have something that works. It seems to be a leftist thing to gatekeep anyone who tries to help.
It’s the culture that wasn’t reformed, not the skin colour, friend. It’s the background attitude, the baseline amorality, the tolerance of violence as long as it doesn’t directly affect me, etc. The fact you went straight into skin colour shows your misunderstanding. And no, of course you can, and I’m glad you are, but all of this wouldn’t have gotten this bad if the American white folks had had sympathy for those that have been abused since the days of the colonies, and it might just take some white on white violence (another tragedy, ofc) to make people care and that’s just the reality of things. You might not like it but the facts are pretty clear.
I mentioned color because of your phrasing, which would lead to that conclusion. It’s pretty obvious. And it’s not like I even disagree with the points you make, it’s just how you made them. Don’t blame the reader/listener when you use euphemisms you didn’t intend to imply. Say what you mean.
Your previous statement was also a bit on the side of poisoning the well, so no matter what anyone says now, they’ve already been invalidated as being part of change. Attacking people who may be breaking from ignorance or finally pushed too far as part of the problem is dividing any potential resistance, and that’s exactly what the powers that be want us to do: fight amongst ourselves.
American history is dark. As I’ve gotten older I’ve learned more and more of things that were simply not talked about, or worse, covered up. That doesn’t mean most Americans are guilty of these crimes, or can’t try to improve things. But it won’t get better if there’s so much infighting because of the past that most of us weren’t even part of. “Sins of the father” is such a crock of shit.
You misunderstood. It’s not “sins of the father” or “white people are evil because it’s in their DNA”, it’s “the current generation who either fervently supported racially divided violence/tolerated it to a great degree until it was their turn to suffer it were raised by the previous ones who did the same”, so why are we surprised that, besides the few lefties with a heart, white America for the most part had continued disregarding things like police brutality up until the victim shared their skin colour? Now, why haven’t white Americans gone through a complete ideological change after all the sins the country has accumulated? Idk. But what I do know is that it’s that attitude, that intellectual laziness and amoral selfcenteredness that’s at the core of white American ideology (whatever that is besides “might makes right”) that stopped them from being more active through the years, and now it seems like it’s too late. It’s just a very visible thing and I’m not attacking anyone, especially not people who are just opening their eyes. I’m happy every time anyone stops being a racist, amoral POS who condones evil as long as it doesn’t touch them, of course!
I really think class warfare is far stronger than any racial divide. And that’s exactly why there isn’t much momentum from any group, white, black, whatever. They’ve pinned us down for so long ensuring that any individual efforts can be punished. Now… how do you get a unified effort so they can’t lock individuals down? That is the question to be answered. General strike? Not if it’s some lame Friday and then back to normal. It’s got to be a shutdown that’s felt by the ones who are the problem, and it has to be outlasted long enough to matter. Can that be done by people living paycheck to paycheck, or by those already missing many weeks of food stamps? The rich hope not.
So sure, there’s the inequality of black vs. white. But it’s far deeper and planned than that, and this kind of arguing is what they want instead of a shared effort.
The racial divide is an aspect of class warfare though. Specifically in the US, so much of White America was willing to throw away/undermine the welfare and public services that they barely had for a generation just because black and brown people would get access to it too. It’s wrong to just skip over that and demand solidarity.
Personally, I think we can embrace people who are late to the game, while also holding space for people who are frustrated that it seems to take a tragedy to activate some members of the populace
You say Well. I would but they mostly disappear like I’m some Stranger to expel ain’t real thru fear. Cuz that ain’t real even if you’re delirious enough to just end up knot being the same. Oh but that returing Martian baby did it. Fly Burger Mic.
Fa epalm
I mean, when was the last time Prickard sang with tab in his hand??
Al whide beeble ebil.
