TL;DR: See title. How can I tell Google they’re probably processing their mail wrong?

After setting up the Matrix Authentication Service (MAS) and exim-relay as mail server, I noticed verification mails sent from the service are often in the spam directory.

When digging deeper, I found out the mails are failing DKIM authentication. This was weird because DKIM is set up correctly, as verified by other mail providers and online DKIM test tools such as DMARC Tester.

Searching online for “gmail fails DKIM authentication, while other providers pass”, I found regular reports, posts or similar without resolution, or unrelated resolutions such as DKIM alignment.

Using meld, I compared the original source of mails as received by gmail with those of other providers, and found a difference:

In other providers, the header for “From:” and “Reply-To:” fields are presented with double-quotes:

From: "John Smith" <j.smith@example.com>
Reply-To: "John Smith" <j.smith@example.com>

In gmail, where DKIM fails, there are no double-quotes:

From: John Smith <j.smith@example.com>
Reply-To: John Smith <j.smith@example.com>

As this should be the raw source each, I ruled out presentation issues and digged deeper.

I found out, that specifically the rust crate lettre, as used by the MAS, encodes names with whitespace using double-quotes. Further, from researching a bit more and reading RFC 2822 sections 3.2.4 and 3.2.5, I come to the conclusion that whitespace needs no quoting in mail headers.

I created issues upstream and downstream to report the issue at lettre and MAS, particularly that their mails are failing DKIM checks at gmail:

If you’ve read that far, you probably wonder why I post all of that? For one, to provide another data point for people scratching their heads over mail issues.

But other than that: I’m pretty sure the google mail servers should not strip the quotes before doing the DKIM check. I assume they have some kind of decode -> process -> encode workflow, that then simply encodes the headers again, this time without the quotes. But IMHO a correctly signed message should not lead to an authentication error, even if the contents are not perfectly encoded.

I would be curious on getting some feedback from some mail experts on what is happening here. This is not my field of expertise and I’m going by what I’ve learned over the past 48h.

  • hperrin@lemmy.ca
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    Yeah, I understand how the mail that Gmail receives is not necessarily the mail that the user sent (in regards to headers), and I understand Gmail can add headers (like auth results, spam scores, other sorts of records), but is Gmail really changing the “From” header or other headers included in the DKIM signature?? I would think that would be absolutely unacceptable.

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      Yes, it seems it does that. I assume it has some processing chain involving decode -> process -> encode of the whole mail, and usually that works out and the DKIM check passes. Apparantly, if you send something non-standard the decode and encode are not symmetrical and this happens. IMHO it shouldn’t, so I agree. Especially, showing users mails with broken authentication seems broken as well to me.

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        53 minutes ago

        Quotes around the display name in a header certainly conforms to the standard (and in fact, the way Gmail rewrites it does not conform to the standard when it contains a space, but is the obsolete form), and I would expect any decent mail program to leave it alone. Then again, Gmail is not a decent mail program, and hasn’t been for a long time.

        Edit: the fact that this spec is three years older than Gmail means they have no excuse. That syntax was obsolete before Gmail even existed.

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          I had to think about this for a while, but the standard is only obsoleting folding white space, i.e. white space that wraps lines, such as:

          Subject: This
           is a folded line
          

          which is equivalent to

          Subject: This is a folded line
          

          As I understand it, white space is allowed before and after obsoletion. Or do I understand it wrong?

          Edit:

          I think in the obsoleted language the following would have been allowed for a From: field as well:

          From: John
           Smith <j.smith@example.com>
          
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            Folding white space is a different issue. It’s the atom / quoted-string part. That’s the standard form of a display name. Meaning if it’s more than one word (separated by white space), it should use the quoted string form. It does list obs-phrase as an alternative, but using obsolete syntax should be avoided when possible.

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              10 minutes ago

              phrase is 1*word, not word. The difference to obs-phrase is that it allows dots (“.”) and folding whitespace. Not that it allows whitespace.

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            The section right below shows that it’s obsolete:

            A.6.1. Obsolete addressing
            
               Note in the below example the lack of quotes around Joe Q. Public,
               the route that appears in the address for Mary Smith, the two commas
               that appear in the "To:" field, and the spaces that appear around the
               "." in the jdoe address.
            
            ----
            From: Joe Q. Public <john.q.public@example.com>
            To: Mary Smith <@machine.tld:mary@example.net>, , jdoe@test   . example
            Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:52:37 +0200
            Message-ID: <5678.21-Nov-1997@example.com>
            
            Hi everyone.
            ----
            

            And in the spec itself, that syntax is named as “obs-phrase”.

            But yes, though obsolete, it is still legal syntax. So I guess I shouldn’t say it “does not conform to the standard”, but rather “just barely conforms to the standard”.

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              In the same example, the Mary Smith is not the issue, rather the @machine.tld, as is written in the description.

              John Q. Public is an issue because of the dot, not the spaces. The spaces are an issue in jdoe@test . example, as that’s actually an address, not a name