Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • Aequitas@feddit.org
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    15 hours ago

    Those who deliberately kill innocent people lose the right to be considered the resistance. They should kill the fucking IDF. But not kids at a music festival or random civilians.

    • mrdown@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      False. Resistance group are still resistance group even when they commit crimes. They still have the right to continue to fight Isrsel currenctly commiting genocide.

      You would reject all the resistance mouvements and their sacrifice in previous occupations with your logic

    • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.ml
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      15 hours ago

      All violence in a settler colony, including the violence perpetrated by and against the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.

      They should kill the fucking IDF. But not kids at a music festival or random civilians.

      You’re right, they should be given:

      • advanced military technology and intelligence data
      • ways to openly organize without being killed by Mossad, Shin Bet, and the IOF
      • perfect control over every person who happens to pick up a gun during any of their operations

      to make sure they can more efficiently kill only soldiers.

      Since we’re wishing for things, I also wish every “Israeli” genocide supporter would just disappear without the resistance having to do anything.

      • Aequitas@feddit.org
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        5 hours ago

        What a dehumanising and despicable statement. The people murdered by Hamas did nothing wrong. Certainly nothing that could justify their deaths. They did not colonise anything either; they were simply born there.

        This conflict really brings out the worst in some people. On the one hand, they blame the murder of innocent people on colonialism, and on the other, on the alleged human shield tactic.

        This contextualisation, relativisation and, in some cases, romanticisation of human suffering is absolutely disgusting and must stop.

        • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.ml
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          It’s extremely telling that you read this:

          All violence in a settler colony, including the violence perpetrated by and against the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.

          And concluded that it meant “every ‘Israeli’ who died deserved it”. It actually meant “some of them didn’t deserve to die, but their deaths are still the fault of ‘Israel’ because it’s a colonial project that cause this to happen”.

          This conflict really brings out the worst in some people. On the one hand, they blame the murder of innocent people on colonialism, and on the other, on the alleged human shield tactic.

          Yeah, it did happen because of colonialism. It’s also extremely telling that you present these statements as equivalent, as if “‘Israel’ is a settler colony” and “Hamas use human shields” are equally valid statements. The first is a very basic, correct analysis of the nature of the state, which the most important early zionists (such as Herzl and Ben Gurion) not only agreed with but were proud of. The second is a racist lie designed to try to excuse genocide.

          “Israel” literally uses human shields, by the way. They have actually tied human beings to the front of their vehicles in the past.