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    Ones that don’t exploit immigration or prison as a source of cheap labour. AKA nowhere in the West.

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        Cuba for one. China has been working very hard towards it (to a much further extent than any Western country) but due to their massive population it’s debatable of they’ve gotten there for every single labour job yet, but they will.

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          Cuba’s labor exploitation exists even without private sweatshops: the state monopolizes most employment, forbids independent unions and collective bargaining, prevents workers from freely changing jobs or negotiating pay, and in key sectors the government confiscates passports, imposes penalties for leaving assignments, monitors workers, and keeps the majority of wages paid by foreign governments, all of which meet internationally recognized indicators of coercive and exploitative labor, regardless of whether the employer is the state rather than a private firm.

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            That, if true (since you didn’t link any sources), sounds at worst like the kind of exploitation that Westerners like you and me rely on (from “undocumented” or even documented immigrants in your own country, resource extraction sectors in developing countries, cheap overseas manufacturing, etc) that allows us to make the illusion of a living wage from what little work we do in comparison. In reality Cuba would actually be far less exploitative than us because we do all of what you described and much, much worse to people you never see or think about. Where did that cobalt in your phone come from? What about your chocolate? Where does your e-waste go after you drop it off at a big box store before buying the newest thing? Cuba at least doesn’t prop up their own citizens at the great expense of people they deem less important.

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              You cannot ask for sources if you don’t supply them yourself. You just made up that shit about Cuba because you have no idea about Cuba. You’ll find a long history of labor abuse in Cuba. This just proves everything you say is bullshit hive rhetoric.

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                https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/socialism_faq.md#on-cuba

                Not a source in itself but links to many sources.

                Also, you know nothing about Cuba and everything you say is straight out of the US propaganda pool which they’ve been using to justify their illegal blockade of the country. Also also, if I’m just a hive mind drone and you’re apparently not, why not post your own sources to show how much better informed you are and how much better you are than me? Seems like you don’t have sources and are deflecting from your lack of sources.

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                  Fuck the US. Kill trump. Fuck the embargo. Don’t shift the topic because you got caught in a LIE.

                  You’ll never once hear me simp for the US.

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                    Doesn’t simp for the US, just coincidentally believes every claim the US makes about socialist countries. Cool.

                    Post your sources then. I posted mine after I “got caught in a LIE.” Since you’re obviously not LYING and are a well-read expert on Cuban labour practices unlike me, that should be an easy ask for you.