Very early on, I think there were some well-meaning people who were really excited about it. The idea of an all-electric truck was brand new, and the promise was huge. It unfortunately wasn’t until after many Cybertruck preorders had been secured that Elon plainly revealed his true colors, and then after it was delivered that people found out it was a piece of garbage
Idk, the first cyber trucks delivered nov 30 2023.
His takeover of Twitter was 2022, with plenty of bright red flags
The “pedo guy” thing was 2019
All of his COVID violations were extremely public in 2020 and 2021
I think you’d have to be living under a rock to be completely unaware of what he was by the time preorders were locked in
It’s just a convenient loophole for fascists to pretend they’re not fascists.
“Oh no I gave them a fully refundable $100 to pre-order it, guess I’m locked into giving this seig heiling, election interfering, pedophilic elite illegal immigrant $100k.”
Ok, I agree that if musk’s objective in buying twitter was to amplify nazi voices, that confirms him as a nazi.
Do you have convincing proof that that was his objective? Convincing enough that some random guy buying a car who “doesn’t care about politics” would immediately believe he’s a nazi? I don’t think so.
He stated his aim was to remove barriers to free speech. People disagree over what speech should be protected as a matter of principle, so our hypothetical buyer may very well have thought that that was a good idea.
Though it’s worth noting that for all of his claims of supporting free speech broadly, he only ever acted in support of the freedom of certain kinds of speech
The point is, each additional step adds uncertainty:
Musk is highly likely to be a Nazi because
he very likely bought Twitter in order to promote Nazis, which we know because
after the acquisition, it’s very likely that his actions have been to promote Nazis, which we know because
after the acquisition, the accounts we know have been promoted are right and far-right
In reverse order:
What if there are other actions in support of left-wing views our analysis has missed? What if the motivation was a belief that left-wing views were generally not being suppressed as much as right-wing views? (An easy belief to acquire, because the far-right are more violent than the far-left, so more often fall foul of rules against promotion of violence)
What if these far-right groups are horrible, but not actually Nazis?
What if Musk bought Twitter for other reasons, even though the actual effect has been promoting far-right/Nazis?
Let me be very clear: it is abundantly obvious that Musk is a Nazi. I am not trying to convince you that he isn’t. I’m not trying to convince you that there was no reason to think he was a horrible shitstain in 2023; there absolutely was. But you and others in this thread are conflating convincing evidence with incontrovertible evidence. That’s just a failure of empathy; people are unconvinced by convincing evidence all the damn time.
Yeah, true. But we’re like several years past that now. If you could afford one of those sins against the design gods, you could afford to take the L by now.
They couldn’t tell from the look of the thing? When he first unveiled it, I thought it he was trying to make some sort of joke. Legitimately thought he was trying to prank people! The design is atrocious!
Very early on, I think there were some well-meaning people who were really excited about it. The idea of an all-electric truck was brand new, and the promise was huge. It unfortunately wasn’t until after many Cybertruck preorders had been secured that Elon plainly revealed his true colors, and then after it was delivered that people found out it was a piece of garbage
Idk, the first cyber trucks delivered nov 30 2023.
His takeover of Twitter was 2022, with plenty of bright red flags The “pedo guy” thing was 2019 All of his COVID violations were extremely public in 2020 and 2021
I think you’d have to be living under a rock to be completely unaware of what he was by the time preorders were locked in
It’s just a convenient loophole for fascists to pretend they’re not fascists.
“Oh no I gave them a fully refundable $100 to pre-order it, guess I’m locked into giving this seig heiling, election interfering, pedophilic elite illegal immigrant $100k.”
There’s a bunch of defenders in this very thread.
None of those amount to Nazism. You know what does? Throwing out a couple of Hitler salutes. But that didn’t happen until later.
Strong disagree. Buying Twitter to amplify the voices of Nazis is pretty straightforwardly an act of a Nazi
Ok, I agree that if musk’s objective in buying twitter was to amplify nazi voices, that confirms him as a nazi.
Do you have convincing proof that that was his objective? Convincing enough that some random guy buying a car who “doesn’t care about politics” would immediately believe he’s a nazi? I don’t think so.
He stated his aim was to remove barriers to free speech. People disagree over what speech should be protected as a matter of principle, so our hypothetical buyer may very well have thought that that was a good idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Views_of_Elon_Musk&oldid=1182272283
Though it’s worth noting that for all of his claims of supporting free speech broadly, he only ever acted in support of the freedom of certain kinds of speech
Top result for me searching “musk promotes far right accounts” from 2022 https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/HHRG-118-IF16-20230328-SD035.pdf
The point is, this stuff is trivially easy to find
The point is, each additional step adds uncertainty:
In reverse order:
Let me be very clear: it is abundantly obvious that Musk is a Nazi. I am not trying to convince you that he isn’t. I’m not trying to convince you that there was no reason to think he was a horrible shitstain in 2023; there absolutely was. But you and others in this thread are conflating convincing evidence with incontrovertible evidence. That’s just a failure of empathy; people are unconvinced by convincing evidence all the damn time.
Yeah, true. But we’re like several years past that now. If you could afford one of those sins against the design gods, you could afford to take the L by now.
I bet a lot of the cucks that preordered and bought them are financed to the absolute max and can’t afford to sell it now.
They couldn’t tell from the look of the thing? When he first unveiled it, I thought it he was trying to make some sort of joke. Legitimately thought he was trying to prank people! The design is atrocious!
Every time I see one I think, “that’s so ugly it’s almost cute.” I just love janky crap.
Janky can be great if not ‘designed’ by and supporting Nazis.
Love me the 70s Gremlin.
I love it!