isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
Non-human animals aren’t moral agents and can’t be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can’t say a hurricane has done something immoral.
Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.
isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
That’s not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they’d naturally choose to.
isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can’t consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).
If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.
You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of “preventing rape.”
Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you’d have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn’t generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it’s cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren’t supposed to play God with every facet of an animal’s life.
right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won’t explicate on them. I just want to say, you don’t have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don’t want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can’t afford to. You can just say “that shit’s fucked up”.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
Even ‘Law & Order’ series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
I think it really depends where you live and what your lifestyle demands of you.
Where I live, meat is on sale a lot at supermarkets, lots of frozen food meals have meat in, and people might not have time to shop for ingredients or even to cook all the time - which i presume is the key to making veganism cheaper.
If you want to convicne people veganism is cheaper then you have to unfortunately (for you) “spell it out for them” - e.g give examples of vegan meals against meat meals, tell us where you’re shopping.
Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.
1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.
By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
You think we should be free to do whatever with Bacteria after running-out of protections against problems, because of over use of the “good” ones, COVID-19 & IT’s VARANTS & 'The Crazy Don’s Administration- Like RFK Jr.?
I was saying yes things, like bacteria, we cannot see need more rights, restrictions on our stupid manipulations of them, against our & Living Earth’s & All Living Beings’ healths.
Well, we just have to agree to disagree. I think nothing had any rights before humans invented the concept. And even now, any right that can’t or isn’t being enforced is pretty much useless and not more valuable than a wish.
By the way, the powerful thing, outside of universal forces are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
Well, considering that humanity would be totally helpless against universal forces, like a super volcano or a gamma ray burst, it suggests that all our minds are pretty weak in the over-all schema of things.
I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse than any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness. Just the scale, WOW!!!
Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/‘Global Warming’ extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.
Are they inseminating a cows with non-steers’ sperm from a sperm bank without their consent? I do not think so, as a regular practice, but sometimes greater abuse, I would never be surprised.
I get what you’re saying but it’s sexual assault, no?
If non-human animals cannot consent, isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
Non-human animals aren’t moral agents and can’t be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can’t say a hurricane has done something immoral.
Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.
That’s not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they’d naturally choose to.
And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can’t consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).
The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.
You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of “preventing rape.”
Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you’d have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn’t generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it’s cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren’t supposed to play God with every facet of an animal’s life.
Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?
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Yes, it is.
It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.
No.
If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?
Unless that women is a literal cow, yes.
right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won’t explicate on them. I just want to say, you don’t have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don’t want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can’t afford to. You can just say “that shit’s fucked up”.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
Even ‘Law & Order’ series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.
WTF are you even talking about? I’ve haven’t said or implied anything of the like.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
eating vegan is cheaper idiot
for some people
Don’t need to say that
I think it really depends where you live and what your lifestyle demands of you.
Where I live, meat is on sale a lot at supermarkets, lots of frozen food meals have meat in, and people might not have time to shop for ingredients or even to cook all the time - which i presume is the key to making veganism cheaper.
If you want to convicne people veganism is cheaper then you have to unfortunately (for you) “spell it out for them” - e.g give examples of vegan meals against meat meals, tell us where you’re shopping.
Almost every person that are not Vegan just do not get this. Even back in the day, it was more costly to be mainstream eating/not all food homemade Vegan, with unhealthy processed foods industries. Plus the side effects (physical-social & Etc.) of horrible health causes are extremely costly.
Others Beings have rights!!! If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.
No they don’t.
Only if we say so. We invented the entire “rights” thing in the first place and we’re kind of in charge of handing them out.
Nope, just plain old non-existence after death for me.
1st. I understand why you might believe that wrong, based upon second answer. Everything born-living has Rights, simply because of birth-existence, somethings are not technically birthed into this world. It is more of a reflection upon those do not accept that fact.
By the way, the most powerful thing, outside of universal forces, are all our minds & together they even more powerful.
Bacteria have rights? Are you also against antibiotics?
You think we should be free to do whatever with Bacteria after running-out of protections against problems, because of over use of the “good” ones, COVID-19 & IT’s VARANTS & 'The Crazy Don’s Administration- Like RFK Jr.?
I was saying yes things, like bacteria, we cannot see need more rights, restrictions on our stupid manipulations of them, against our & Living Earth’s & All Living Beings’ healths.
Well, we just have to agree to disagree. I think nothing had any rights before humans invented the concept. And even now, any right that can’t or isn’t being enforced is pretty much useless and not more valuable than a wish.
Well, considering that humanity would be totally helpless against universal forces, like a super volcano or a gamma ray burst, it suggests that all our minds are pretty weak in the over-all schema of things.
I disagree with you, obviously, but it can never be accepted, because it is worse than any sickness-crimes our species on our species has ever been done. The scale of it is unbelievable & just a sign of species (in general, obviously) sickness. Just the scale, WOW!!!
Yes, the way it should be- especially, with potentially spreading ourselves to other worlds/‘Global Warming’ extinction event first (keep reading), we are in the way/overpopulation-overdensity-caring very little for The Living Earth & The Living Beings (even members of our own species). Correct me if I a wrong, but some Earth bound universal forces are manipulatable by us.
Are they inseminating a cows with non-steers’ sperm from a sperm bank without their consent? I do not think so, as a regular practice, but sometimes greater abuse, I would never be surprised.