• 3abas@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I’ve seen enough of your comment history, you go around spreading liberal talking points and pro empire/war progranda. You’re not a socialist, you may have some socialist ideals you’re developing, and I hope you read more, but your current arguments do more harm than good for the working class.

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      1 day ago

      Not even a little bit, I’m just not afraid to disagree with tankies who are shilling for dictators just because they happen to be anti-west dictators. Apparently to the average tankie, that makes me a “liberal fascist,” whatever that is, or a zionist or an imperialist apologist or a genocide supporter or all those other things that I’m not but tankies like accusing everyone who isn’t a tankie of being.

      I do plenty of calling out western dictators too. I can be anti-maga and anti-tankie. That’s something tankies can’t seem to wrap their heads around.

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        1 day ago

        You overuse the word tankie. Being only anti maga doesn’t make you a socialist, it makes you a liberal.

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          I use the word tankie a lot because there are a lot of tankies on the internet. I suppose a tankie would think that’s overusing it though. Tankies overuse words like “capitalist shitlib,” “zionist,” “fascist,” “western imperialist,” and “genocide apologist.” Those things are all deserving of critique, but I’m none of those things. And if tankies don’t stop throwing them around like meaningless insults, then they’re gonna lose their meanings and get treated like meaningless insults.

          I’ve already had people tell me to stop hyperbolizing while talking about actual fascists, because people are so worn down by tankies calling everyone and their mother a fascist just for being closer to the center than a bolshevik.

          I never said “I’m socialist because I’m anti-maga.” I’m socialist, and I’m anti-maga.

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              17 hours ago

              There’s a difference between supporting capitalism, and understanding that we currently live in a capitalistic world order and in order to make change we need to work within the systems and settle for incremental progress.

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                15 hours ago

                Democratic Socialism has no ethical end game. It’s a compromise with the ruling class remaining the ruling class. It’s a slightly lesser evil, but still evil. It’s just another liberal hangout.

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                  15 hours ago

                  The end game is incremental progress by working within the systems that are in place to achieve gradual change.

                  It’s not about compromising with the ruling class. If any DemSoc is going about it that way, they’re doing it wrong.

                  Mamdani is doing great things for New York, none of which would be happening if because of some ideological purism he decided to stay home and be a keyboard warrior instead of getting into politics.

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                    12 hours ago

                    You’re quite rude. It would do liberals a lot of good to read some theory. They’d understand what the “tankies” are talking about rather than dismissing them as lunatics.

                    The best of the Democratic Socialist countries are still ran by child murdering shitbags. They’re probably gearing up to bomb schools alongside the US.