I very much am not confused about this, you just aren’t willing to consider other view points and keep shifting the goal posts.

I thought this was an interesting conversation. You have shown me that I was wrong about this conversation.

You aren’t worth any more of my time.

And that’s sad

It absolutely did give me ownership of the software on everysingle NES game I bought. NO ONE can tell me I don’t own that plastic and can use it in anyway I want so long as I do not distribute copies or derivatives works of it. But I can create and make as many copies of it as I want as long as I keep them to myself and I can make whatever changes I want to it assuming I have the skillset to do so. They do not have to provide me any assistance, nor am I entitled to assistance to do these things, but as the owner I certainly can do these things

Owning something doesn’t mean there aren’t conditions, but I absolutely own those 1s and 0s on that piece of plastic. No one can delete them or take them or prevent me from using them in anyway.

This ISNT a 1980s thing either. Copying what’s on my Plastic NES cartridges is no different than is no different than forging a copy of the Mona Lisa if I owned it. Distributing that copy in any way is currently prohibited, but I can paint it as long as I don’t try to claim it’s the original.

Owning a NES cartridge might also give me a limited license to certain things but I OWN that copy of 1s and 0s even if I can’t copy it and sell it or give them away. I didn’t sign a EULA when I bought Chrono trigger. YOU may have, but I didn’t

This is no different than owning a house

I need to preface that I don’t know how to say this any better and I’m also short on time so I’m going to ask your forgiveness for my bluntness and any offence this may come across as. I promise you im not attacking you and you are just going to have to accept it. Again my apologies but here we go…

Your logic is screwed up and I’m having a hard time trying to sort out where your flawed logic is, so I’m gonna need some grace and more self reflection from you than is probably expected, I hope you can accomodate my shortcomings in this.

It’s not an attack, you seem to make a well thought out argument, which is more than I usually see. Credit to you and I do respect you for it.

All work created by a creator CAN be owned by someone else.

A horseshoe is no different from movie on DVD or SD card from an ownership standpoint.

I disagree that recording performances is a technological anomaly. Because it requires entirely too narrow a perspective.

The only different between someone writing a book describing a play and a recording is the medium used to record it. That medium is a physical thing.

We can’t literally record thoughts, not in any meaningful or useful ways at the moment but we ARE close to that. There is a research experiment where they recorded someone’s brain activity while they dreamt and were able to play that recording back to some degree of success.

In a hobbesian sense (as you described it, I’m not claiming mastery on the mans philosophy just trying to meet you where you are) you cannot own someones thoughts that use used to make a creation, whether it be a performance or a recording of the performance. The only difference between a horseshoe and a performance of a okay or music, is that not many people cared to bottle up the performance of a blacksmith making the horseshoe. Until YouTube.

Owning the horseshoe doesn’t give you rights to the performance of its creation, neither does owning a copy of the recording of the performance grant you ownership of the horseshoe.

There are different things at play from start to finish. And they are treated differently. I don’t think anyone is making the same arguments that you are claiming and refuting, and that’s why I think there is a flaw in your arguments logic.

Owning a game on a disc or cartridge is not equivalent to owning the right to a performance. It doesn’t give you ownership of anything other than what you purchased. In this case that we are discussing owning a game IS owning the code that exists on the physical medium, be it a hardrive, a paper printout, a disc. Ownership of that specific copy of that specific code is what ownership of a digital creation is. It’s an ordered number of 1s and 0s. It’s a copy of a pattern that is absolutely useless to anyone who can’t read binary on the medium purchases. Ownership does not require usability, but it MUST provide a product that is tangible, regardless of its usability to the owner.

Im not understanding why you are using the examples of right to a performance the way you are using them and I think what I’ve written here should be enough to explain what I understand about the situation. My ability to communicate my thoughts clearly and precisely to you, anyone else reading this and also to myself are perhaps insufficient, but that doesn’t automatically invalidate my understanding just because I can’t explain it well, or that I’ve made errors in my attempt to communicate them in this medium

Also the patrons of the people and organizations that produced these works have often been owned by those who funded them, stop kidding yourself

The opinions of Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau are not absolutel nor ubiquitous. They may have said things that are no longer, or never were accurate and almost certainly should never be held to be inviolate/permanent.

Yes. It’s called growing into an adult. Kids usually do this

James Dean, Robert Redford, Brad Pitt

Hollywood has a mould and I don’t know who is going to take over this position from Brad Pitt. But they probably already have

My province already did this year and we knew it was happening last year

It’s almost like they don’t want you to be in Reddit when you are popping at work, they are now working with tech to make capital happy. More units pers labour!

I’m sure they do but not without problems

E coli, anthrax, Lead, mercury, oil, piss, shit, fungus, spores, mold, fucking anything really. You have no idea what’s gone into the ground or what it contains. Even if it’s “probably” safe why not use a much easier already approved product that has 0 risk associated with it

Unless you are running it through some spectrum analyzer or whatever and have a process to then purify it, it’s a bad idea to just ingest something you dug up. And why bother not starting with already human grade ingestible material that you also probably have in your kitchen.

Harmful substances are many orders of magnitude smaller than the tiniest pill.

And no shovels required

Hugs friend all good

This is much better than an apology. Just start saying stuff like this instead of apologizing maybe? Might be better received ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah I know which is why Im confused why you seem to be disagreeinf with me when we are saying the same thing. So I’m repeating myself with different words to try to find where we are having a problem.

I was literally guessing that that might be where the disconnect was. I’m not a great communicator so apologies If I’m just too dumb to figure out whats happening at this point

What is your goal? What is it you think your words are going to accomplish? Canada isn’t the problem here, you are. Go talk to other Americans with this sentiment because they are the ones that need to hear this emotion from you.

What’s the point of the 2nd amendment it you refuse to use it.

Go read Howard Zinns book that was mentioned in good will hunting

Yes it’s bloody and people will die, but that’s the price you pay if you let things get to this point.

Remember you are already being killed. You’re being kidnapped from your homes. Your children are being separated from their parents.

What more needs to happen for you to think the 2nd amendment is supposed to be used?

And Carney gonna have a hard time winning another election if he keeps on his currently strategy so we might end up with PP anyway

I would expand “testing guesses” to repeatedly testing guesses. It’s a fundamental thing to be able to recreate the testing results, or it’s not science at all it’s just fuckign around lol

I wonder if thats because we know very little about how the brain actually works in regards to how the brain create thoughts. It’s so very much a mystery in many ways where thoughts are created

Well sure but you could use other household ingredient that aren’t contaminated with whatever might be in your soil.

It was intentional that i said it’s one way they already make placebos in pill form.

It entirely is only important if you care about hurting people and not just stealing from them.

Which you seem to since you are arguing over diabetes

Aspirin.

Was a tincture or tea of white willow used as a folk medicine for generations until it got studied and the compound in it isolated by Bayer

Cocaine.

Indigenous population would chew coca leaves as a stimulant for various reasons and someone figured found out about it, studied it, and found out how to isolate the active compound and now we have Cocaine

Opiates

Opium Poppy was used for centuries for a variety of uses, but mostly recreational in the form of opium, then it got studied and turned into some of the most effective painkillers we have. (Morphine, codeine, heroin are naturally derived opium compounds, some others are synthetic or a blend such as oxycodone, methadone, fentanyl, carfentanyl)

Edit: white birch bark(I’m not 100% certain this is the right tree, but it was a tree, please correct me if I’m wrong) found the correction in another comment