I don’t think you have that many middle-class friends, judging by your opinion here. I could be totally off base on that presumption but I don’t understand how you can hold that view if you do. That would be my failing then.

Middle-class isn’t a month vacation every year anywhere they want. It isn’t even retiring early. It’s not getting the best version of everything. It still comes with cares concerns worries stresses challenges and a host of other afflictions that can almost always be solved by more money, just like everyone who is not as well off as the middle class.

It’s a certain amount of comfortable survival, enough to also do more than a few things just because you want to and you have the means, but it’s not a place that has no view of a higher place, it’s just not always having your feet in the muck. Water waiting to drown you with a higher tide than usual or a moment of loss of vigilance and diligence to do the things you MUST do just to keep your head above water

At least that’s been what I’ve come to given my life’s windings

They may be dumb, but they are also affected by housing prices, oil prices, service cuts, taxes raised. They still don’t get politicians that do good for them, just like rest of the bottom 50%

They aren’t better off because of who is elected even if you are accurate and they are the ones that determine the outcome of the elections. The elected politicians still don’t persue the interests of the middle-class. The middleclass may simply be the most complacent because they are too afraid of becoming one of the Poors they seem to hate so much

Crabs in a goddamned bucket

They may determine the outcome of elections, but they don’t determine what outcomes the outcome chases. That’s the lobbyists

Another fucking American telling Canadians what’s what

I don’t disagree

This dude and Russel Brand are the biggest “I’m not surprised in the least” that they have accusations against them. Always got creepy vibes from both of them

I find it interesting the article ends saying there’s 9 accusations back in 2025. I’m curious if these ones are additional accusations or some of those 9

In a report in Air Mail in June 2025, nine women accused Leto of engaging in inappropriate behavior over the years

Many. Many many many women lust after him. Probably more so for his musical career rather than his acting though

One person isn’t the majority of the entire cast.

Rick Moranis retired from acting almost 30 years before this project and it was a project worth him coming back for in his opinion.

That’s different from your examples in a fundamental way. I’m not sure how I can explain it to you, but the difference for this one is clear and unambiguously a different situation then what you are comparing them to me

I have a phrase I have used many times for things I dont like such as this.

You may have my share of the world’s sweet pickles

This one gets a moment in time. It’s pretty much the last chance to do something with most of the original cast and creator.

While I share your sentiment usually, this one really is an exception to the reboot slop we have seen over the last decade or so

Still too many american sympathizers around in my opinion

The University of British Columbia engineering department did that like 15 or 20 years ago. They may have released a bunch of their information that might be useful for when you retire.

Sounds like a great plan

Exactly the kind of thing I would like to do an ev restomod on

This could literally be a conversation with my friends right now. (The issue not the words used here)

So much so that I will NOT be sharing this with them or I risk adding fuel to the fire

I very much am not confused about this, you just aren’t willing to consider other view points and keep shifting the goal posts.

I thought this was an interesting conversation. You have shown me that I was wrong about this conversation.

You aren’t worth any more of my time.

And that’s sad

It absolutely did give me ownership of the software on everysingle NES game I bought. NO ONE can tell me I don’t own that plastic and can use it in anyway I want so long as I do not distribute copies or derivatives works of it. But I can create and make as many copies of it as I want as long as I keep them to myself and I can make whatever changes I want to it assuming I have the skillset to do so. They do not have to provide me any assistance, nor am I entitled to assistance to do these things, but as the owner I certainly can do these things

Owning something doesn’t mean there aren’t conditions, but I absolutely own those 1s and 0s on that piece of plastic. No one can delete them or take them or prevent me from using them in anyway.

This ISNT a 1980s thing either. Copying what’s on my Plastic NES cartridges is no different than is no different than forging a copy of the Mona Lisa if I owned it. Distributing that copy in any way is currently prohibited, but I can paint it as long as I don’t try to claim it’s the original.

Owning a NES cartridge might also give me a limited license to certain things but I OWN that copy of 1s and 0s even if I can’t copy it and sell it or give them away. I didn’t sign a EULA when I bought Chrono trigger. YOU may have, but I didn’t

This is no different than owning a house

I need to preface that I don’t know how to say this any better and I’m also short on time so I’m going to ask your forgiveness for my bluntness and any offence this may come across as. I promise you im not attacking you and you are just going to have to accept it. Again my apologies but here we go…

Your logic is screwed up and I’m having a hard time trying to sort out where your flawed logic is, so I’m gonna need some grace and more self reflection from you than is probably expected, I hope you can accomodate my shortcomings in this.

It’s not an attack, you seem to make a well thought out argument, which is more than I usually see. Credit to you and I do respect you for it.

All work created by a creator CAN be owned by someone else.

A horseshoe is no different from movie on DVD or SD card from an ownership standpoint.

I disagree that recording performances is a technological anomaly. Because it requires entirely too narrow a perspective.

The only different between someone writing a book describing a play and a recording is the medium used to record it. That medium is a physical thing.

We can’t literally record thoughts, not in any meaningful or useful ways at the moment but we ARE close to that. There is a research experiment where they recorded someone’s brain activity while they dreamt and were able to play that recording back to some degree of success.

In a hobbesian sense (as you described it, I’m not claiming mastery on the mans philosophy just trying to meet you where you are) you cannot own someones thoughts that use used to make a creation, whether it be a performance or a recording of the performance. The only difference between a horseshoe and a performance of a okay or music, is that not many people cared to bottle up the performance of a blacksmith making the horseshoe. Until YouTube.

Owning the horseshoe doesn’t give you rights to the performance of its creation, neither does owning a copy of the recording of the performance grant you ownership of the horseshoe.

There are different things at play from start to finish. And they are treated differently. I don’t think anyone is making the same arguments that you are claiming and refuting, and that’s why I think there is a flaw in your arguments logic.

Owning a game on a disc or cartridge is not equivalent to owning the right to a performance. It doesn’t give you ownership of anything other than what you purchased. In this case that we are discussing owning a game IS owning the code that exists on the physical medium, be it a hardrive, a paper printout, a disc. Ownership of that specific copy of that specific code is what ownership of a digital creation is. It’s an ordered number of 1s and 0s. It’s a copy of a pattern that is absolutely useless to anyone who can’t read binary on the medium purchases. Ownership does not require usability, but it MUST provide a product that is tangible, regardless of its usability to the owner.

Im not understanding why you are using the examples of right to a performance the way you are using them and I think what I’ve written here should be enough to explain what I understand about the situation. My ability to communicate my thoughts clearly and precisely to you, anyone else reading this and also to myself are perhaps insufficient, but that doesn’t automatically invalidate my understanding just because I can’t explain it well, or that I’ve made errors in my attempt to communicate them in this medium

Also the patrons of the people and organizations that produced these works have often been owned by those who funded them, stop kidding yourself

The opinions of Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau are not absolutel nor ubiquitous. They may have said things that are no longer, or never were accurate and almost certainly should never be held to be inviolate/permanent.

Yes. It’s called growing into an adult. Kids usually do this