People can’t and won’t use it because it sucks. Middle mouse click is for two things:

1. open in a new tab
2. scroll/pan

See how they’re both navigation related? Because the mouse is a navigation tool, not a text tool.

A keyboard is a text tool, all pasting should reside on the keyboard. Eagle-eyed readers may notice that there are actually letters on all the buttons they keep mashing at random, those letters are a hint that the keyboard may be used for text-related operations.

Windows sucks now, but it won desktops for a very good reason initially and as Linux is making inroads into personal computing, there are no reasons it can’t learn lessons from why that was the case.

Old Linux GUIs suck and the user experience in general absolutely sucks on anything before Debian 8. Gnome classic was nuked because it sucked, and new Gnome was an improvement in every way, and it was only very recently that KDE got to a similar level of polish.

No one is saying the feature should be completely removed, just like KDE’s insane defaults of “Peek at desktop” in the bottom right instead of “minimize all windows”, it just needs to be hidden somewhere because 99% of users don’t expect a computer to work this way and with good reason.

Leave the legacy toggle in for people who cut their teeth on OSes made by companies that went bankrupt shortly after making them and expect all computers to work like that until the end of time.

Heck - just for them, create a separate clipboard that always holds the user’s nudes and dedicate left mouse click to a shortcut that emails them to their dad for all I care, because it’s how it worked on a random hack of AmigaOS they used in the 1800s, I don’t care, just leave us out of it.

X11 is a protocol that Xorg implements

This. Only correct comment in the entire thread. Rest are people who probably don’t even use computers and have no idea what a mouse is.

Happens all the time.

Oh cool I didn’t know that

I don’t believe ur mom adds much to the discussion xD

My biggest accomplishment this year is how I’ve achieved good sleep for the first few hours of the workday. I’ve worked tirelessly this year to plug in my mouse jiggler and deliver myself to bed. In the future I’m planning to enjoy a cool fully vanilla new vegas playthrough on my steam deck :3

If you’ve never accidentally pressed the mouse wheel while using your mouse you must just not use computers very much, especially not for work

Post literally describes who and how it hurts. You need to read.

Hey OP, can you try running a nested gamescope session to see if that fixes the issue? I usually always do this as a rule of thumb for all full screen applications due to the many QoL features like real Vsync.

Actually, can you even do that on Wayland yet, or is that Xorg-only?

You’re right of course - it could be a Sway issue, but with Sway being engineered from the ground up to be a Wayland compositor, and conforming to that design, I would still blame Wayland.

To give a comparison: NTFS has many annoying flaws and limitations, but because it’s ultimately a file system created for the NT kernel on Windows, I blame Windows for its limitations.

Besides common sense would suggest that usually when it comes to launching games a display protocol would have more impact than a choice of WM, though Wayland blurs that line because of it’s unusual architecture compared to what we know and love with the X11 protocol and good old Xorg…

Classic Wayland. Fuck Nvidia tho

It’s just like the Quest 2.

It supports some small limited library of games without a PC, but can be used for PCVR for streaming VR experiences over WiFi, exactly like the Quest 2. I have never personally touched any of the on-headset apps on the Quest 2 apart from Virtual Desktop and have only ever used it as a PCVR headset because it’s so cheap compared to the Index etc., and am also looking for an upgrade to the Steam Frame, for PCVR exclusive use.

One thing I hope never makes a comeback is this, the most cringe of lib policies. I do not want to be dictated to about what I can and cannot eat, if there’s anything that is condescending wokescolding it’s this, don’t talk to me about it unless it’s like star trek replicated protein type stuff. I vill not eat ze soyslop made out of god knows what.

Yeah, you’re right, but also, the commenter above isn’t just being mean for the sake of it, there is a real issue at the heart of it.

The issue is that having 1 person come around to your side implies the millions that don’t and won’t.

Some of those people simply don’t share any underlying morals in common so that’s fine, you’ll never see eye to eye in ideas because your goals are ultimately different.

Some of those people also just don’t care and/or don’t know.

Some people will never care, and that’s fine too, but some of those people will care if they do know.

Spreading information to those people is tough when you don’t have backing of the govcorp media ecosystem and it doesn’t help when the ideas you want to get across are sophisticated, boring and fairly nuanced and require lots of context.

It also doesn’t help that this would-be progressive in their ignorance could be damaging to the cause when misinformed, which means that sometimes you have to argue against this person and potentially turn them off the movement forever, because you never really know whether it’s possible to sway someone until you do.

That’s what makes ignorance trolling or JAQing so effective because progressives will either have to waste time explaining openly to someone who will never agree and only feigns ignorance, or risk being potentially a confrontational asshole with a genuinely ignorant person.

It also doesn’t help morale of said progressive when confronted with all that, that many of us simply learned about this information on our own, we never asked anybody of anything, we just explored enough perspectives on issues we cared about until our bullshit-o-meters were finely tuned enough to find truth and construct a path from reality now to future we’d like.

On the other hand, convincing some people who are actually sway-able to not want the world to function like a war crime can be like pulling teeth, people are zealous defenders of their opinions because it reflects badly on their self-esteem if they are misinformed and someone else isn’t, especially in the Information Age.

I speak from a progressive viewpoint but it’s just as true for any real ideological position, information is the fuel that turns simple moral beliefs into functional ideology.

For as long as we live in a democracy, we need to somehow solve the systemic issue of ignorance at scale without inventing a ministry of truth type situation and being able to effectively counter trolling and JAQing/sealioning while also treating those asking questions with the utmost care and having the emotional stamina to do that when many of us had nothing of the sort.

It’s a tough position, even describing it or explaining it is tough enough already when fewer and fewer people even seem to even just read at all.

Then there is often just confusion over what someone open to information actually wants, e.g. the Adam Something guide to dating video he made where he said that teenage and adolescent men want instructions and not philosophical musings on the concept of dating and purpose and approach came as a genuine shock to me, because from my, non-male perspective I can’t imagine anyone needing instructions or explanations of that sort of thing.

NetEase owns Quantic Dream (guys who made Heavy Rain etc.). Small world eh

Yass queen, nuke amerikkka dear leader it’s like, time, we need to escalate! Millions must die

This has happened to me before as well, there’s so many reasons a site or anything on your end or in-between could be down or have issues, that’s why mirrors work so well for resiliency! Glad you’re back up to speed now.

Deb-src is the source code repository iirc. Unless you regularly download and read source code, you do not need it.

Yeah, why would I click the link? The article text is in the post. Your post. Lol.

So I have read the text before commenting actually, and even if it’s not the complete text, the general summary seems to be sufficient to determine the content and positions of this article.

Do feel free to prove me wrong though.

I have great respect for peeps on the sdf instance for SDF teaching me about the pubnix and old VAX/PDP systems, though of course you could be a boomer who’s nostalgic (rather than a young person interested in older tech, which are kind of opposites if you think about it), and therefore statistically a homeowner.

That would probably mean you are acting in your class interests by posting an article that seems to imply that decreasing the price of housing is anything but a good thing and that housing should have any value beyond being homes people live in.

I could be wrong though ofc.

Use X. Wayland is dead on arrival.

For all the mad ones here’s a reminder: the Steam Deck uses X for the desktop. You think if Wayland had a future, maybe Valve would see it? Considering they took Wine and made it functional and all.

Nevermind launching games via just Proton itself on the KDE desktop, but even if you use a nested gamescope session - it only supports X.

That’s not to mention that for any gaming outside of the steam deck, you’re gonna be using a real GPU that can actually play games properly, and NoVideo drivers only support X properly. You can either stay stinky with Wayland, or play with Path Tracing on.

Only GNOME Devs like Wayland. KDE, Valve, Qt and many other FOSS contributor individuals and orgs alike support and use X primarily.

Wayland is the IPv6 of the display protocol world.

Edit: guy replying to me is already blocked, what a surprise!