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Cake day: July 27th, 2023

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  • I appreciate the story and that you’re not like two of the other commenters who couldn’t wait to fight me.

    Who cares if some person online trys to call you some names

    The truth about that is “most people”. The same way if someone flips you off while driving when you didn’t even do anything wrong, that is offensive. The same as the other day when some asshat made a bad driving decision and took it out on me yelling “hurry it up” while I was (already quickly) crossing the street. It matters how people treat others when they’re trying to take a moral stand.

    As it happens, I know a lot about veganism and I’ve thought a lot about it. For about 12 years now I’ve reduced my meat intake. I’ve backslid slightly but for probably 5 years I probably was 90% vegetarian. Now I’m probably at about 60-70%.

    If I truly was just now thinking about it for the first time, the original commenter I responded to would’ve driven me far from having a desire to become vegan. They were insanely rude and self righteous and distorted facts to the point where it’s accurate to call some of their statements lies.

    The only reason I even commented to begin with is they said anyone can “easily” reduce animal suffering in their lives to “zero”. Which is just flatly false. So I challenged it and I wasn’t rude about it. Which was…not rewarded.

    There absolutely is in western culture at least, a correlation between affluence and avoidance of animal products. It’s the reason you’re gonna find like 2% of the population as vegetarians in the tiny town I’m from, while in NYC it’s probably like 25%. Screaming at people condescendingly, using phrases like “you have the flesh of innocent suffering in your teeth” is not helping anyone. Telling people they can easily change their entire lives, implying it’s only their moral failing that they haven’t yet, is not helping anyone.

    I’m sure you get a lot of this, I’m just explaining why this thread had me in the mood that it did. The other commenters were shitty and dismissive and honestly, lying. Partly an “Internet person thing” and partly a unique “self righteous vegan thing”. I’ve tried to live in a way that minimizes negative effects on others as well. We need more people doing these kinds of things, not people getting screamed into a guiltfest (doesn’t work at all anyhow) if they haven’t started yet.










  • Everyone can learn to read.

    See, this is exactly my point. No, they absolutely cannot. Over half of adults in America are functionally illiterate. I’m close to someone who teaches middle schoolers to read who struggle, usually with a combination of horrible educational background, low income situations, intellectual disability, or hardship caused by having to flee their country of origin, for their own safety.

    Even if we had universally offered free classes to teach reading and cooking (we don’t, not even close), there still would be many people who wouldn’t even be able to take advantage of them, for various reasons.

    What I’m really arguing here is against the absolutist attitude. It’s just not helpful and it sets you up mentally to be even more disappointed in people than you’d be without the attitude…

    Edit: the fact that this comment is getting downvotes tells you all you need to know about why people have to choose veganism in spite of your horrible messaging about it, and never because of it.





  • We can consider believing that only if we assume everyone is privileged enough to have constant access to vegan food. Which is a ridiculous assumption. Being vegan is great and I’m glad people choose to, but you must have a warped view of how others live if you think it’s not just possible, but “EASY” to have that diet. Billions of people cannot even afford the luxury of food that isn’t the cheapest and most processed food money can buy.

    And this is not even addressing your “zero” assertion. Unless you carefully grow and harvest your own crops, all your meals ended up killing and hurting small animals that were attempting to live in a field where your meal was grown.