I understand, I just felt you were stating things as if they’re objectively true. Maybe I missed something. Have a good rest of your day.

So you’re saying all of this as though “on the surface” is all I’ve ever considered and have never tried to do what you claim to be the only acceptable way to do things. It is only your opinion that dynamic UI elements aren’t worth it. They particularly help with forms. Conditional data in forms aren’t something I just made up, it’s a legit use case. Again I’ve tried your way and I lasted less than a day. Very poor experience.

I hear you on qubes.

RE: js, you’re talking about the web as if it should only ever be what it was first conceived of: documents. In reality now it’s used for full on software applications. It’s not just used for animations and polish (and the shitty things you mention specifically), it’s also used for dynamically updating the UI. A world you speak of would mean much worse order forms, paperwork for doctors, etc. I mean you do you, but you can’t just not acknowledge that dynamic updates of a UI are better than filling out a long form then getting back “invalid data, you selected this and entered that, start over”. It’s literally useful.

The tracking concerns are mostly mitigated by vpns, ad blockers, and private browser features. I understand there are many flaws and issues I’m glossing over, but for the most part, the average person can just use those things, then opt to close the tab of a horrible website like you’re describing.

tldr; you may prefer static documents, but modern society is built on forms and other types of vital apps, which would inevitably be worse without javascript.

I will give qubes-whonix a shot, you have convinced me!

There are certain functionalities that cannot be done without JavaScript. In my perfect world either no one would abuse JavaScript with ads and other shitty design choices, or at least I’d have an easier time with toggling it off/on. For now I’m leaving JavaScript on because it’s simply far too inconvenient otherwise. Browsers are pretty good about preventing actual harm if you have UBO installed though.

Out of curiosity, what harm are you concerned about JavaScript doing with an ad blocker and while loading sites within a container? That seems extreme to me.

Okay I just did some cursory research and it doesn’t sound simple. Is it just installing qubes-whonix and creating a template (I’m guessing a yaml config or similar)?

As far as sites with JavaScript being “broken”, that one puzzles me. I have tried turning off JavaScript in the past and probably 70% of websites became fully non functional. That shouldn’t be the case, but it often is, and my impression has been that this has gotten worse, not better. I’m a web developer and no one talks about progressive enhancement anymore and frankly my coworkers have mostly thought it’s silly to even try to support users who turn off JavaScript.

Those last two panels are so far past the inconvenience I’d ever be willing to put up with. I’m not sure how it could ever be worth it.

Don’t try to lick them now

And it probably feels faster than the slop machine

This description is very similar to all versions of the teams app. It took them like 3 years to get it past what felt like a beta.

I assume that question wasn’t meant to be quoted?

I think they got rid of that slogan when the company wasn’t even worth many billion

Can you say more about how you did that? I have some Logitech mice that are awful to use because of this. And they were extremely expensive. Had I known that after a year they’d turn into a sticky mess I’d have sent them back immediately (or never bought them)

Yep. I bought two very expensive Logitech mice and they both began to get a sticky disgusting residue on my hands and fingers all the time, which I realized was leeching off the rubber itself.

I tried scrubbing them with rubbing alcohol and it didn’t help. I don’t use them much anymore and have decided to boycott the brand over it. You’re only like the second person I’ve talked to who experienced this. I think most people just don’t notice a lot of details. I cannot imagine we have unique compounds in our skin oil that break these mice down or something weird like that.

You just made me chortle and almost choke on my snack lol

I thought the whole point of proton is you wouldn’t need to support it.

Why is everything a shit post now? If this is real and an AI response it should go in a community whose concept isn’t essentially “this is probably fake”

Yes, when something is forced on a person, that tends to lead to resentment. Meanwhile if a person freely chooses something, they may wonder if they chose properly.

Not only used for debugging and also if you log a complex object, the way it gets displayed in the console is not always easy/possible to fully inspect. It will get… truncated for lack of a better word

Fuck this post.

This is another win because if someone is spreading misinformation I don’t want to hear from them and I know they’re probably unreachable anyhow. If they blocked me I can call out the misinformation without a flame war, from them anyhow.