Sure, that’s true. I think in mine and many cases, wrapped up in the “being smart with money” lesson is saving, mitigating risk, and decreasing spending where possible. I at least hope most parents (who bother at all) are defining what being smart actually looks like.

Guess it depends on your perspective but for me this just reminded me of how disgusting cigarettes are

My parents did a lot to model being smart with money and only one of their kids (me) picked up on it. Kids often love being the opposite of what they’re taught, no matter how much it hurts them.

I don’t think this is exactly correct. The distro maintainer is responsible for choosing when and how to roll out/test upstream updates. So if they are doing their job, they would be pumping the brakes on specific kernel updates until they’ve worked out issues with them (or waited for upstream to fix them). So distros based on Ubuntu may or may not experience the specific issues that get rolled out upstream of them. Also, there could’ve been things elementary os was combining with the kernel updates that could’ve caused breakages.

I actually started my Linux as a daily driver journey on elementary os. There were some pretty major breakages that caused me to look elsewhere. I forget what they were but it was very frustrating. I landed on pop os because, like elementary, it’s Ubuntu minus some of the garbage. I think pop os is better now than it used to be, and I still daily drive it. It’s been a while since I had any major issue that seemed to be the os itself. Can’t remember the last one actually so it was probably years ago.

The first string in quotes was you, the second was me. Probably was confusing. In any case you answered my question and I feel less confused. For me, this number would probably be 95% no kidding. 50-70% is surprising but again, before I thought you were implying most sites, maybe even 90% worked fine without JavaScript. Once I consider that you already know many sites that don’t work without JavaScript which you don’t even try anymore, I guess those percentages could make sense.

It’s a wild way to live, gotta say. By turning off JavaScript, you’re essentially turning off most of the Internet. And especially when you are already running it in a super secure container, this is just wild to me.

There are so many things I hate about these types of sites,

What confuses me is that in this case “these types of sites” is “almost the entire Internet”

I’ll be more direct and ask a question. What percentage of the Internet would you say you run into major functionality broken without JavaScript?

It’s just a very confusing thing to claim, that’s all. If 90%+ of the web doesn’t work with js off then you’re either predetermining that you just won’t use 90% of the web. You’ve decided that ahead of time, so you cannot really say “these sites suck” because you haven’t even been able to use them. If you had said “I try not to use JavaScript dependent sites” that makes sense. But the way you’re presenting it, you don’t have any trouble and just use most sites. Which I happen to know is not possible.

That’s not really what this post was about at all. It was self deprecating and not about the person taking forever to reply

I tried using the web again last night with a browser extension that toggles off JavaScript. Out of like 8 websites I tried to use, literally all of them were broken.

So it’s not even just convenience. It’s that practically no one is building websites to work without JavaScript. I think that sucks, but I cannot change it by just avoiding most websites in defiance.

I don’t know what websites you’re using that still work without JavaScript, but they’re in the minority from what I can tell.

1000 upvotes, 400 comments all pretending to get it

This keeps getting reposted… Why? 🤮

That may be true also, but no one posted me with the caption “lol”

It is confusing to me because A) what’s funny or interesting about this? B) how would one possibly know about libre office and not even know how to check if there’s an osx version. Any idiot should be able to figure that out in moments.

But mostly A.

“it’s a meme”

No it’s not, it’s a screenshot of a confusing exchange.

on this issue

Seems like a very clear and appropriate use of language to me.

I understand, I just felt you were stating things as if they’re objectively true. Maybe I missed something. Have a good rest of your day.

So you’re saying all of this as though “on the surface” is all I’ve ever considered and have never tried to do what you claim to be the only acceptable way to do things. It is only your opinion that dynamic UI elements aren’t worth it. They particularly help with forms. Conditional data in forms aren’t something I just made up, it’s a legit use case. Again I’ve tried your way and I lasted less than a day. Very poor experience.

I hear you on qubes.

RE: js, you’re talking about the web as if it should only ever be what it was first conceived of: documents. In reality now it’s used for full on software applications. It’s not just used for animations and polish (and the shitty things you mention specifically), it’s also used for dynamically updating the UI. A world you speak of would mean much worse order forms, paperwork for doctors, etc. I mean you do you, but you can’t just not acknowledge that dynamic updates of a UI are better than filling out a long form then getting back “invalid data, you selected this and entered that, start over”. It’s literally useful.

The tracking concerns are mostly mitigated by vpns, ad blockers, and private browser features. I understand there are many flaws and issues I’m glossing over, but for the most part, the average person can just use those things, then opt to close the tab of a horrible website like you’re describing.

tldr; you may prefer static documents, but modern society is built on forms and other types of vital apps, which would inevitably be worse without javascript.

I will give qubes-whonix a shot, you have convinced me!

There are certain functionalities that cannot be done without JavaScript. In my perfect world either no one would abuse JavaScript with ads and other shitty design choices, or at least I’d have an easier time with toggling it off/on. For now I’m leaving JavaScript on because it’s simply far too inconvenient otherwise. Browsers are pretty good about preventing actual harm if you have UBO installed though.

Out of curiosity, what harm are you concerned about JavaScript doing with an ad blocker and while loading sites within a container? That seems extreme to me.