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  • What you say is true.

    It’s not a product that you pay for or product that is sold. It is a product that is provided for free. However, that product can no longer be provided for free because Mozilla doesn’t profit off of you using their free product.

    Mozilla (the non profit) actually doesn’t aim to profit at all. They aim to support the ongoing development of Firefox and similar projects. Which is currently under risk of not having the necessary funding to pay engineers to build and maintain it.

    Mozilla needs more money so that they are not under the risk of sudden collapse if they stop getting money from Daddy Google.

    Honestly, it’s a shitty situation to be in. As the grand majority of users don’t understand just how involved browser development is. And those users instead donate to projects that are either forks of Firefox (and directly depend on Mozillas investment) or are (at this stage) toys, like Ladybird.

    Which leaves a slim set of choices for the continued funding of the project. All of which it’s core user base hates (Market trend following, new features to see what sticks, AI related integrations, ads, subscription services…etc)

    Yet it’s core user base isn’t willing to donate so it’s kind of a self-caused problem.


    Side note. IIRC the foundation’s highest paid executive employees make about what a senior engineer at Netflix makes. To put that into perspective.


  • Firefox is a commercial product. Is it not?

    They need to make money so that they can fund hundreds of engineers salaries to keep building it and maintaining web standards operability.

    And somehow do this while keeping off with Chrome who has a team 4-5x their size.

    Trying to figure out a way to be independent of Google while competing with Google is a tough nut to crack. If they can’t sell it and they can’t get enough donations, then then it comes down to partnerships and advertising.


  • Then donate!

    They are in this situation because they have to keep up with chrome’s capabilities _ velocity with a team that’s 1/4 the size at best.

    Essentially they have to produce more with less and they have a funding problem. Almost all of their funding goes into software engineering salaries.

    At the risk of not being able to keep up and becoming an obsolete web browser leaving Chrome as the only dominant one there is a shitty position of being the bad guy so that you can get money.

    In short, I sympathize with the reasons why they are having to do this even if I greatly dislike them. Reality is complicated.





  • Honestly same thing here. They didn’t even do internships anymore.

    They don’t seem to be hiring anyone that’s not a senior engineer either.

    They also have been regularly laying off folks every year or more than once a year but not backfilling. So workloads are up.

    Couple of this with them freezing promotions and now they’re risking high performers leaving because they aren’t being considered and rewarded for their contribution levels and engagement.







  • Development time and user support?

    These are two pretty obvious reasons. It takes time and time is a limited resource. Therefore, time should be spent on solving impactful problems. Lemmy account login is extremely low impact, it’s not a bad thing, it’s just not something that improves immich for a large portion of its user base.

    Another thing is user support. Since the many instances are self-hosted for the most part, and they will go offline, and they will go away forever in some instances. Users asking for support for this login type and asking for additional features to make up for this baked in instability.

    Essentially. Low impact work that may drive a higher volume of support efforts.

    It’s the same reason some niche projects stop supporting Linux. Low user volume and disproportionately high “neediness” of those users.