Agreed, I see no way Linux phones become a viable alternative in the near future. Tbh, it is extraordinary to expect Linux on phones when it only has small adoption in desktop space - how will it be ready for phones, for which no Linux apps have been developed? Coupled with the funding and hardware compatibility, I just don’t see Linux phones.

Do you really think it is feasible to convert people to less convenient alternative? What are you going to do, force them at a gunpoint?

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As a user, I can definitely say that GrapheneOS is the single best project in the open source space. 99.99% of stuff works out-of-the-box, with de-facto feature parity. The remaining 0.01% is the one dumb investing app which I can only assume has sneaky spyware on it.

Tbh, AOSP is good enough of a basis. GrapheneOS thrives on it.

I read about it in GrapheneOS matrix room, I do not recall the specific links but it is on the GrapheneOS roadmap IIRC.

Yeah, this is so sad that most phones do not follow good security practices.

It’s great, works even better than desktop Linux tbh. I heard devs are planning GrapheneOS for desktops, which should be great and secure as well!

RIP, this is sad day today

Well, alike all other technologies, it needs to leave the lab first.

Shame, so many AI loving people are flocking to Gemini. Guess it is always Comfort >>> Privacy for commoners.

I am slightly bothered by how the logo is quite off-center, is it intentional?

It’s so sad to see that voice of reason is trampled over like this. To see how bad is running Linux on phones, just ask the grapheneos folks. Linux phones have looong way to go compared to AOSP.

True, but asking user about permission to home folder vs. granting permission by default is huge difference. Also doesn’t flatpak also grant other permissions the app wants as well? Like the Mic permission.

While lots of this is problem of desktops in general, but:

• Linux applications can access your entire home folder, which likely contains most of your data. It can also access e.g. state of other applications, which can be bad.
• While flatpak somewhat mitigates the issues, it is half-baked: permissions are granted directly when you install the app, and user has to manually revoke the permission - Needing e.g. FlatSeal for this is insane as well. With Android/iOS, the user only grants permission when needed, which reduces lots of attack surfaces.
  • Doesn’t too many apps want your home folder access by default? If you think about it, it is a huge security issue - you basically have to trust the app to keep your secrets intact.
  • Mic access can be very problematic, esp when it would be enabled by default if app requests it. Although I don’t know to which extent this would be abused.

Pardon my ignorance, but why people keep trying Linux phones when you can develop on top of open source android version, like GrapheneOS? Linux desktop apps are not exactly secure.

You mean this?

https://www.stackage.org/

Yeah, the problem is with the one banking app I frequent.

Oh my, that sounds difficult. What does “permanently locked bootloader” mean? I was just going to buy at local phone shop…

EDIT: Turns out, local phone shop does not sell Google Pixel. Gotta buy from official google store…

How about, with xmonad!