But… it’ll NEVER cost less!
This is such a weird take because we are comparing apple and oranges, again. It’s like saying a ruler is more precise than using your own thumbs. Sure, that’s technically correct, but you still need people to use that ruler to measure stuff.
We ALWAYS use better tools. Even in mass production we automatize the heck out of everything… and yet you still need staff to maintain it, design improvements, etc.
So… I don’t get this kind of comparisons.
Starting to worry we’re talking past each other.
Yes, RISC-V isn’t used at scale in data centers. Now though that NEW criteria are taking into account, namely sovereignty, they precisely might despite their limitations, including performances. If though it’s just political signalling without any actual will and subsequent advantage and in reality only performance matters, they still won’t be used.
Because those components are (theoretically) sold as equivalent. If you sell me cycles in a data center, one for 10e/h and another for 100e/h (because it’s 10x slower and thus must have ~10x more instances) and you don’t give me any details on why, I’ll take the 10e and of course it won’t be competitive. FWIW I do buy compute time in data centers and I’m also aware (but not involved with) https://www.top500.org/ and how none of them are RISC-V based, it’s not my point. My point is that the metrics to compare will never make it competitive if we exclude its raison d’etre. RISC-V was never proposed to be the most efficient and powerful architecture (even though of course it’d be nice if it’d be).
It’s like apple versus orange then complaining that the apple doesn’t taste orange-like enough. Sure, that’s correct, but also pointless.
Edit : it’s not an “anecdote” it’s a proof of existence, again RISC-V works today. It’s not set of blueprints. It does compute, easy as that.
Depends entirely on the metrics you use for comparison. In terms of performances yes of course it’s slower than others, nobody is contesting that. In terms of openness it fairs better than most. My point was solely that it’s usable for some use cases and thus that it’s not a theoretical architecture in 2026. It works. Yes it’s slow but for use use cases it doesn’t matter.
If you don’t care for openness then it’s not competitive. Being competitive depends entirely on your constraints.
Damn, the same way Tesla reaches FSD next year, thanks Elon for saving the World one promise at a time! /$
Nothing because it depends on the workload? I mean if you run a static Website to few people it’s more than enough. If you’re trying to predict weather or render high definition 3D graphics in real-time it’s not… but also nothing is so…
Was it a rhetorical question and if so what were you implying?
reverse engineer American technology
Like what? Which technology are you talking about?
RISC-V is decades away
Eh… what? I have a RISC-V SBC and it just works, running Debian on it in minutes of setup and it cost me peanuts.
Sure it’s not a state of the art CPU … and if I wanted to run anything demanding on it, I’d have to be patient. Heck it’s not even made in the EU but in China… but it works, today, it just depends on what your workload is. So yes it’s not the fastest or has the best efficiency but still, it exists already.
it’s so easy to install apps on smartphones right now
Providing choice as a default is precisely about people who are influenced by defaults. It’s NOT about how feasible something technically is.
Perfect, I might even set my UA for reddit to mobile then, I need an “excuse” to keep on using it less. I still browse it without an account but I should lose the habit.
Because Linux phones with proper hardware are sold at 1k and hundreds of people want to but that, not thousands or millions and thus they don’t actually get built. Couple of attempts just lasttear didn’t pan out.
if you love in the US
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To be honest I don’t know what the solution is. What I’m convinced of though is that if we don’t push back, at the very least signify that it is actually a problem, then it silently becomes the new norm.
Edit : related in school context https://lemmy.ml/post/46392253/25351905
FWIW I had to use an equivalent which didn’t work on my setup. I emailed the company, they said try this, try that, which I did, still no dice. They emailed me a form to print, sign, take a photo of, and email them back. I did and the 3rd party that relied on their service was notified.
So… it’s OK to be “annoying” with this kind of services if it doesn’t work respective of your setup itself respective of your concerns.
I’m not saying it will also work, or that it’s efficient, just that it’s a possibility.
home automation server that doesn’t connect to the internet?
Well if uses wireless connectivity with either range broader than your place or is connected to a device that is itself online it can still be a risk. Sure it’s very VERY specific but scanning techniques also improve.
The one thing Microslop excels at is precisely lock-in.
That’s the beauty of totally arbitrary restrictions, you can change them as you want.
Pay by seat? Pay by client? Pay by byte of data stored? Pay by backup location?
… pay by moonphase? Pay by AI personality? Pay by virtual AI seat?
Such BS but why wouldn’t Microslop extend its business model. It worked well so far. It’s not about software, or datacenter, or AI, it’s just about entrenchment.
How many of those 8 are doing anything, ANYTHING, about it though?
AFAICT its creator it’s entirely focused on the mobile challenge know, working on /e/OS for his Murena company.
Yep. In fact I wrote a blob somewhere (will link back if I find it) that for most users I believe we reached “peak good-enough” compute few years ago already.
Sure for some very VERY specific use cases, it’s never enough (e.g. super high res video editing, photo realistic rendering, weather simulations) but for the average Joe with normal eyes… at some point you just browse Website that show photos and text, even 4K videos… you don’t NEED 8K or a more powerful CPU when you are jolting down your 5 family holiday options. We got into a habit that year after year we would get significantly better hardware but… you can store your entire life of text, photos, documents, etc in a microSD that fits in your wallet and costs you the price of a meal.
It’s weird that we needed the AI bubble to realize it but that’s OK.