Yeah it would have been way easier for the apparently all good, all knowing, all powerful god to just, you know, forgive us, but that wouldn’t have made for a good book

A ban isn’t “un-personing” someone, it’s a temporary restriction on their engagement with one particular community, as a consequence for bad behavior. If that restriction doesn’t actually happen though, it doesn’t seem like a very effective consequence.

It was enshittified into that. A decade ago, it was a perfectly fine option for people that wanted a more convenient, hassle-free way to share and collaborate on code

I feel like you might like James Hoffman, a coffee YouTube creator. His baseline attitude is much the same as yours - if you start with good tasting water and good, freshly roasted beans, you’ll likely end up with good tasting coffee. He also delves into the nitty gritty, doing a lot of cool experimentation with different techniques and data-driven stuff, but he usually does a good job of stressing that all those minute details end up making very small differences in the resulting cup.

Of course Starbucks roasts dark in part because they’re cheap, but it’s mostly to ensure the flavor is consistent across all their thousands of stores. Roast any bean to the level Starbucks roasts it, and it doesn’t matter what the origin, fermentation method, species, or terroir was, they all come out tasting the same. Granted, most people aren’t going to enjoy that taste by itself, but that’s sort of beside the point. Starbucks coffee isn’t really intended to be enjoyed straight, it’s supposed to be made into milk drinks where the dairy, syrups, and toppings provide most of the flavor, and for that use case, it’s adequate.

I can’t drink coffee anywhere else anymore

That’s an absolute shame, because there’s tons and tons of cool coffee shops absolutely all over the place doing really cool, interesting, imaginative, and downright tasty things with coffee that you’re missing out on.

So you’re reduced to playing semantic games and trying to claim I’m a liar. You’re continuing to mischaracterize the difficulty involved in installing things on a Linux system. You’re evidently walking back your claim that there are distros/package managers that lack a graphical package manager. Your only example of a desktop distro lacking a graphical package manager out of the box (but still has the ability to install one) is Arch, a niche distro intended for advanced users with Linux experience. And you continue to stubbornly refuse to elaborate any of your points unless I pull it out of you.

Suffice it to say, I’m not convinced. Have a great day, I’m no longer taking part in this exhausting conversation.

It is miniscule, objectively. Generously, less than 2% of personal computer users have an Adobe license. The alternatives aren’t inferior, in fact in some cases (blender, DaVinci Resolve), the “alternative” I listed is actually the industry standard used instead of the comparable Adobe product. There are multiple ways to make it easier to transition away from Adobe products, and you keep just conveniently ignoring the fact that cloud versions of most Adobe products are available. It’s a bad example, and does nothing for the argument you’re trying to make.

Can you share some distros/package managers that don’t have a GUI available? You originally claimed there were distros where a graphical package manager wasn’t an option. Are you walking that back now, or can you actually substantiate that claim?

Can you share some distros intended for desktop use that don’t come with a graphical package manager?

I’m sorry you found Nobara’s package management tools confusing. Is that the experience you’re basing this whole opinion on?

Hol up, I thought we were talking about moving to a whole ass new continent for some really good foreign dick, not because of hitting a glass ceiling lmao

Obviously Adobe products aren’t going to be found in a Linux package manager. Not sure why you’re even mentioning it though, because

• the number of people that actually require an Adobe product is miniscule compared to the number of PC users, so it’s an extreme edge case
• Alternatives like Gimp, Krita, Inkscape, Darktable, kdenlive, DaVinci Resolve, Blender, Foxit, Okular, LibreOffice Draw, Scribus, etc. etc. etc. exist and are more than good enough to satisfy most people that use Adobe products
• OS-independent cloud versions of most Adobe products exist

Can you share some distros/package managers that don’t have a GUI available? Every flavor of Linux I’ve used in the past 5 years has had a GUI for the package manager, and 9 times out of 10 there’s a shortcut in the taskbar or on the desktop by default after installation.

My gaming PC is running PopOS. When I was on version 22.04, I used PopShop exclusively to install and update my software, and it worked great. Since upgrading to 24.04, PopShop has been replaced by the Cosmic Store, which is even easier to use. Both were pre installed and pinned to the taskbar out of the box.

I have Nobara installed on another desktop. I forget what the package manager GUI on that one is called, but it was very similarly easy to use, and it was also pinned to the taskbar (or whatever the KDE-taskbar-equivalent is called) out of the box.

Hell, even Arch has options for graphical package managers, they just don’t come pre installed, obviously, since it’s Arch.

So you recognize that the situation you described is an exceptional case, and not one to recommend making radical life changes over?

I turn it on, I click the program I need to use, I use the program.

If the program isn’t there, I open the software manager, I search for the program, click install, and open the program.

It’s really that easy.

You’re beginning to sound like a broken record now though, because the only things you’ve brought up are

• usability, which you have failed to substantiate, instead opting to just plug your ears and go “nuh uh” to anyone who disagrees or asks for examples
• availability of certain proprietary software/hardware interfaces, which is a non-issue either because an OS-independent cloud version of that software exists, an equivalent, non-proprietary version of that software exists, or is an edge case that affects a tiny fraction of users

I’d love to continue this discussion if you want to bring up anything else, but if this is all you have, I’m not gonna waste any more of my time with you.

Imagine making a radical life change based on a week-long vacation

I didn’t simply dislike your reasons. Your reasons are invalid, untrue in 2026.

I’ve been using Linux at work for well over a decade, and at home for at least 5 years on my gaming PC. I have watched and experienced various Linux distros going from poor Windows replacements to very serviceable Windows replacements.

On my home gaming PC, I have only run into two issues that I used a terminal to solve. And one of those I could have solved with a package manager because the solution was just to reinstall a few things that had gotten corrupted.

Again, I recognize and accept that there are some things Linux still can’t do. But my whole point is that’s ok, because it can still function as a replacement for Windows without those things, for a huge chunk of the people still using Windows. It’s weird that a person that’s used a Linux laptop for the past 3 years doesn’t recognize that.

The few reasons you’ve given haven’t been true for at least a decade, and you’ve declined to give any reasons in our thread. Be honest, when’s the last time you directly interacted with a Linux PC?

Go respond to our other thread dude, you don’t get to dodge that one to stir up more bs here

Nearly every Linux distro nowadays comes with some sort of “app store” for installing programs, the notion that the only way to install things is via a terminal is outdated. And I’m sure if you slapped a Calc shortcut on the desktop and renamed it Excel, your mom would be none the wiser.

Could you? I don’t believe you.

Imagine making a radical life change based on a dating app hookup

K you wanna try and actually substantiate any of your points, or are you just going to continue to give a “nuh uh, you’re wrong I’m right” argument?

Most Linux distros these days are more usable and less complicated than Windows. It’s not difficult for most people to get it to do the things they need it to do. This view that Linux doesn’t have the software selection or features comparable to an Enterprise Operating System ™️ like Windows is largely outdated and misguided.

No one is suggesting anyone shouldn’t try it.

Mkay, sure, uh huh. You’re being awfully discouraging without explicitly telling people not to try Linux, but c’mon, we know what you’re doing.