Well, then, again, I disagree and that’s why we’re arguing. How you describe the arguments you’re making is not relevant. The point is that they’re not accurate. With political will we could have the same experience as these kids in our urban centers. It’s only different because we haven’t changed it yet.
Because we haven’t built the necessary infrastructure. Also because people don’t like change. Getting around without a car is a skill that will need to be developed, and most people have little reason to develop it. That will probably resolve naturally over time, if the built environment allows people to experience cycling as a safe, convenient way to get around, and as people in your social network introduce you to urban cycling.
But I mean there are a lot of people, myself included, who do currently find it preferable. The difference is I’m willing to invest a little more time and experience some discomfort around safety. The more you chip away at those issues, the more people will cycle, which will improve safety and get more people familiar with the idea.
You claimed that building better infrastructure won’t solve our transportation issues because our cities were built for cars while Dutch cities weren’t. None of that is true.
But I’m not sure why you want me to repeat the entire debate we just had. I’ve already corrected the points you made above. If you’re still confused, read again and ask specific questions.
No, they cannot, and have not, and I gave you examples and reasons as to why they have not.
You seem to think that arguing on best intentions or whatever is going to wish all those reasons away, and it won’t. You also tried to say I was saying the idea is pointless or whatever, which isn’t even true. Arguing in the blindly optimistic fashion you are while ignoring facts and reason is pointless though.
Well, then, again, I disagree and that’s why we’re arguing. How you describe the arguments you’re making is not relevant. The point is that they’re not accurate. With political will we could have the same experience as these kids in our urban centers. It’s only different because we haven’t changed it yet.
Okay, well if they aren’t accurate then why do you think people choose cars over walking in these areas?
Because we haven’t built the necessary infrastructure. Also because people don’t like change. Getting around without a car is a skill that will need to be developed, and most people have little reason to develop it. That will probably resolve naturally over time, if the built environment allows people to experience cycling as a safe, convenient way to get around, and as people in your social network introduce you to urban cycling.
But I mean there are a lot of people, myself included, who do currently find it preferable. The difference is I’m willing to invest a little more time and experience some discomfort around safety. The more you chip away at those issues, the more people will cycle, which will improve safety and get more people familiar with the idea.
Yes, so how in ANY of my comments am I being inaccurate or wrong about anything, because you’ve got the wrong grioe, exactly?
My God.
You claimed that building better infrastructure won’t solve our transportation issues because our cities were built for cars while Dutch cities weren’t. None of that is true.
But I’m not sure why you want me to repeat the entire debate we just had. I’ve already corrected the points you made above. If you’re still confused, read again and ask specific questions.
Literally NEVER said any of that 🤣🤣
My first comment was even that these systems are great if they can work where they are.
WITAF is up with people in the comments lately. Wow.
But that’s the crux of the disagreement. They can work anywhere.
No, they cannot, and have not, and I gave you examples and reasons as to why they have not.
You seem to think that arguing on best intentions or whatever is going to wish all those reasons away, and it won’t. You also tried to say I was saying the idea is pointless or whatever, which isn’t even true. Arguing in the blindly optimistic fashion you are while ignoring facts and reason is pointless though.