• petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 day ago

    I’m a soft anti-natalist.

    Okay, real question, think about this from my perspective for a second:

    Why would I give a shit about anything you have to say after hearing something like this?

    As a matter of strategy, a very good phrase, I don’t take opinions from people who are societally suicidal.

    When I talk about bolstering and reinforcing a strong community, perspectives like yours are exactly the kind I’m talking about pruning. Society cannot suffer your intellectual poison. If you want to die, do it on your own terms.

    My only expectation of you is that you will live, and that living means something to you. The only thing you can do is disappoint me.

    And also, don’t film people who don’t want to be filmed unless they’re cops.

    • HalfSalesman@lemmy.world
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      22 hours ago

      I’m about to clock out from work and I wont have access to this account until Monday morning. I may or may not respond to you after this, but I am curious enough that if you have something notable to say I probably will.

      Why would I give a shit about anything you have to say after hearing something like this?

      I don’t know you so I couldn’t say. It sounds like you shouldn’t if you are an incurious person or intellectually fearful person.

      I don’t care about your virtue though. Why should I? We will never meet in person. We don’t need to respect each other here, that isn’t why we’re talking still. We’re here for the discourse, no?

      As a matter of strategy, a very good phrase, I don’t take opinions from people who are societally suicidal.

      Strategy to achieve what? I’m advocating to make things better for individuals. Conscious beings. However, the collective, society, human civilization, none of these things are themselves conscious. Why do you care about these concepts over the conscious individuals materially contained within them?

      When I talk about bolstering and reinforcing a strong community, perspectives like yours are exactly the kind I’m talking about pruning. Society cannot suffer your intellectual poison. If you want to die, do it on your own terms.

      I never said I wished to die. At least not in the sense that you probably think. I already exist, me dying does not close Pandora’s Box, it cements the the fact that to live at all is a horror and a tragedy. Conscious mortality is fundamentally disturbing.

      I’m sad that I have ever existed because I’m doomed to face death and suffering, but mostly the former haunts me. It haunts me that my loved ones will one day die, some already have a long time ago and it still disturbs me on a fundamental level. I’m also horrified at the prospect of bringing more conscious beings to suffer the same nightmarish fate of being brought into existence strapped to a metaphorical conveyor belt ending in death and oblivion.

      My only expectation of you is that you will live, and that living means something to you. The only thing you can do is disappoint me.

      Because I will continue to live or commit suicide? Or are you saying either or? I’m not entirely clear one what this means. As paradoxical as it sounds I don’t legitimately know if I’m capable of suicide. Its strange to even think about given my sheer terror of death itself, but also yeah… death will happen eventually, why not rip off the bandaid? I really don’t know what is the rational choice. Perhaps I am a hypocrite in this way.

      If our axioms are really fundamentally different from mine, then perhaps there is no reason for us to continue. But if any of the questions in this response to you has you reconsider anything there might be something interesting here to talk about.