Couldn’t reply to me pointing out that this was merged, and was stated to be explicitly to support age verification laws, so you had to lie about it as a meme instead.
Because thats what youre doing right now, lying and spreading misinformation. You can admit it.
Age verification could be a usecase. The PR in question just adds a optional date field labeled birth date. If you are mad about age verification (as you should be) feel free to direct your rage elsewhere.
It is just a arbitrary field. They could have a field for all sorts of questionable things and it wouldn’t bother me.
It is up to the people outside of systemd on how it gets used. Systemd is non political and will implement whatever features have a use case. They don’t control the distro.
And google doesn’t officially control web standards, but their monopoly on browser usage means they have “effective” control, for the most part at least.
hi. slrpnk.net user here. yes. grass is political. when you mow your grass is determined by social contracts, the kind of grass you grow is reflective of the economic pressures you experience. when a city makes a green area, they must engage with politics on how to determine where and what the green area will be.
since the dawn of civilization, aka growing grass for food purposes, grass growing has been both political in its decision making, as well as a driving force in politics.
everything is political, and calling people who think that chronically online is goofy
How do these laws do anything to “protect children”? And since they dont actually do that, which you may already be aware of, what do you think their purpose is?
Then ask that question to yourself and think about whether the verification of an age is the issue with what’s going on here, and why people are angry with systemd maintainers merging something that houses PII, for no other stated reason or potential use case than a law that will have zero ability to “protect children”.
Edit: and to be clear, laws that currently exist in two states, CA & CO, as well as Brazil. Thats it.
Okay
Look at the pull request
Tell me how it verifiesanything. It’s a field.
I’m not arguing about the politics. The law is laughably inept at best and horrifyingly insidious at worst (and the truth is likely both at the same time).
But again, read the change, read the comments, tell me what verification is happening.
Then ask that question to yourself and think about whether the verification of an age is the issue with what’s going on here
Verification is the issue. Or, rather, it would be if there was any verification here at all.
I could put 1970-01-01 in that field no problem. Systemd has asked for precisely 0 additional information from any of its users, because it neither asks you to fill it in nor verifies that what you filled it with is correct. Just like the real name and location fields that were already present, which, might I remind you, are also PII.
Systemd isn’t the problem here. The laws are a problem and pissing in systemd’s direction won’t change that.
Couldn’t reply to me pointing out that this was merged, and was stated to be explicitly to support age verification laws, so you had to lie about it as a meme instead.
Because thats what youre doing right now, lying and spreading misinformation. You can admit it.
Age verification could be a usecase. The PR in question just adds a optional date field labeled birth date. If you are mad about age verification (as you should be) feel free to direct your rage elsewhere.
Can’t tell if you’re a bad faith pedant or just indescribably naive.
ITS THE EXPRESS PURPOSE AS WRITTEN IN THE PR.
I will absolutely direct my anger and frustration where it belongs, which includes systemd along with the dumbasses pushing these laws.
As well as you for spreading misinformation. Make no mistake, its deserved.
It enables another dead brained dev to push it further
Little by little
It is just a arbitrary field. They could have a field for all sorts of questionable things and it wouldn’t bother me.
It is up to the people outside of systemd on how it gets used. Systemd is non political and will implement whatever features have a use case. They don’t control the distro.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954
And google doesn’t officially control web standards, but their monopoly on browser usage means they have “effective” control, for the most part at least.
See the manifest v3 changes for extensions.
Its step one of falling in line like a good little fascist puppet.
Technology is inherently political.
This is something that has been known and taught for decades.
Learning towards bad faith pedant here.
you don’t know what inherent means, apparenty.
fuck me, the “everything is political” crowd in here needs to touch some grass.
That’s actually an interesting question…is grass political ?
By touching it, would we be signalling some sort of political stance ?
Something to ponder.
hi. slrpnk.net user here. yes. grass is political. when you mow your grass is determined by social contracts, the kind of grass you grow is reflective of the economic pressures you experience. when a city makes a green area, they must engage with politics on how to determine where and what the green area will be.
since the dawn of civilization, aka growing grass for food purposes, grass growing has been both political in its decision making, as well as a driving force in politics.
everything is political, and calling people who think that chronically online is goofy
i’m also on slrpnk.net (same username) though i’m much more a lurker over there.
I’m all for the “everything is political” position, at least where animals are concerned (people are also animals).
I wasn’t asking that question in seriousness but your points are interesting.
I’d think all the examples you provided are people politics , with a grass subject.
I think what i meant was “is physical grass inherently political” but i haven’t thought this all the way through tbh.
I get that grass as a concept can be (and is) a political subject, but the physical grass itself ?
Like, can physical objects be inherently political if you take them outside of external political influences (people stuff)?
Hmm, i shall have to think about this one.
The birth date field that was added can be used by age verification processes, but it’s not age verification itself.
It was added specifically for the purpose of two state laws and Brazil.
Trying to weasel it as “this doesnt implement it” is misinformation at best.
Okay.
How does it verify?
sigh
How do these laws do anything to “protect children”? And since they dont actually do that, which you may already be aware of, what do you think their purpose is?
Then ask that question to yourself and think about whether the verification of an age is the issue with what’s going on here, and why people are angry with systemd maintainers merging something that houses PII, for no other stated reason or potential use case than a law that will have zero ability to “protect children”.
Edit: and to be clear, laws that currently exist in two states, CA & CO, as well as Brazil. Thats it.
Okay
Look at the pull request
Tell me how it verifies anything. It’s a field.
I’m not arguing about the politics. The law is laughably inept at best and horrifyingly insidious at worst (and the truth is likely both at the same time).
But again, read the change, read the comments, tell me what verification is happening.
Verification is the issue. Or, rather, it would be if there was any verification here at all.
I could put 1970-01-01 in that field no problem. Systemd has asked for precisely 0 additional information from any of its users, because it neither asks you to fill it in nor verifies that what you filled it with is correct. Just like the real name and location fields that were already present, which, might I remind you, are also PII.
Systemd isn’t the problem here. The laws are a problem and pissing in systemd’s direction won’t change that.