Hello,

I am thinking about teaching my students JavaScript first so that they can start creating websites and make their career, what are your thoughts?

  • Flamekebab@piefed.social
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    10 hours ago

    I’ve been working as a software engineer for years and not once have those “fundamentals” been relevant to the work I do.

    If I question their usefulness then I don’t think it’ll sit well with no experience at all.

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      9 hours ago

      If you’ve been working as a software engineer for years and things like error handling and data structures (let alone git and testing!) are not relevant to you, I fear for your employer’s codebase.

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        7 hours ago

        Hah! You picked the two of your that list that I actually do care about.

        • pointers * allocation * reference vs value * recursion * stack * panics, errors, error propagation * data structures

        I don’t know what pointers are. I don’t care about memory allocation. Recursion rarely comes up.
        That’s not the kind of codebase I work with. I guess I’m not a proper big-boy programmer 😢

        Anyway, your snide remarks about my abilities aside, that doesn’t address my point at all.

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          First of all, it’s not my list. Check the usernames of the comments you’re replying to.

          Second, you didn’t make any sort of distinction limiting which ones you were talking about before, which means that you expressed that none of them were relevant. You don’t get to move the goalposts and then pretend it doesn’t address your point because of that.

          Third, that sloppiness and failure to pay attention is only reinforcing my initial impression.

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            7 hours ago

            Calling me out on a clarification when you’re banging on with ad hominem rubbish?

            Respond to the point or bugger off. I’m not here to impress you, you’re not my dad.

            Third, that sloppiness and failure to pay attention is only reinforcing my initial impression.

            A good engineer knows when the details matter and when it’s just wasting everyone’s time. Would you classify responding to someone being needlessly hostile as something other than a waste of time?

            If anything you should be criticising me for choosing to spaff more time on this conversation.

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              7 hours ago

              You weren’t “clarifying;” you were backtracking and lying about it. That’s a detail that matters.

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                  7 hours ago

                  I did respond to the point, in my initial comment. Your lack of reading comprehension (and dishonesty!) is your own problem, not mine.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Your continuing inability to engage in an even remotely constructive way is really tragic.

                    Instead of seeing my response as “He takes my point and sees that his initial comment was too broad. We could have a conversation” it just ends up as an opportunity for you to make this community more hostile. That’s so sad.

                    Hopefully you’re just having a bad day.