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    Why? The files are meaningless at this point. Nobody was prosecuting trump or anyone else in the US over this.

    I can’t stress enough how little the files matter to him. The only people constantly relating the files to this war are people on social media and a few offhand quips by public figures.

    Trump is going after oil. Both Venezuela and Iran were attacked (depending on what minute you were listening as it changed a dozen times) ostensibly for regime change, but everyone knows that’s bullshit. He’s trying to control oil and energy prices. Multiple sources point this out, meanwhile the US press is saying shit like “Here’s what the Trump administration is doing to lower oil and gas prices. Is it working?” CBS news, “Trump’s unshackled presidency puts him at the center of the economy.” CNBC.

    It’s another, giant grift attempt to put himself in charge so he can coerce and bully other countries to get what he wants.

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        What power is it over someone who is under no threat from it? I mean, if they actually did it and trump was immediately removed from power for it I’ll eat my hat, but from the look of things my hat is completely safe.

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          Well, this is a recent shot from CPAC, so they’ve moved on to full-blown normalizing it, so I agree that your hat is quite safe.

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    What? No? Why would they do that? I mean it’d discredit the American political class even more than it has been, but that’s not really their immediate goal right now.

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          If there was anything in the Trump-Epstein Files that implicated Clinton, it would have been released un-redacted long ago. The worst we’ve got is a photo of him in a swimming pool with {gasp!} other people.

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          Bill Clinton is suing the DOJ because they won’t release the files. Bill wants the files released ASAP.

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          Genuinely not sure what your implication is here. Readings I see include “Bill Clinton obviously wouldn’t be discredited,” “Bill Clinton is obviously a Democrat and also obviously a pedophile,” or maybe “Bill Clinton may be in the files, but he’s not exactly a leftist so who cares?”

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            “Bill Clinton is obviously a Democrat and also obviously a pedophile,”

            This. Banjo’s reply implies that only the Republican side of the aisle would be discredited by the files rather than the whole American ruling class, so I decided to point out an obvious counterexample.

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              What you aren’t understanding is that Bill Clinton holds very little interest for modern Democrats. He’s part of the old guard, which was the problem. Nobody is trying to protect Bill Clinton or his already problematic reputation. He might as well be a Reagan Republican for all anyone cares. Ditto Hillary.

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                Also, the law to release the files was pushed through by the Democrats.

                Even if we find out there is a Democrat in the files, that does not mean the Democrat party as a whole is irredeemably compromised. Bad apples can and will exist everywhere, the problem is only when the organization doesn’t try to remove them. By passing the law to release the files, the Democrat party is doing exactly that.

                The damning thing for the Republican party is their coverup of the files.

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                  Yeah, Dems understood that there may be Dems in there, but they have no problem exposing them. Out those Pervoids, and prosecute them. NOBODY is going to defend them for any reason, especially not the way MAGAs protects theirs. There is literally no defense that anyone will consider.

                  You know another word for a Pedophile Protector?

                  Pedophile.

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              As someone who doesn’t subscribe to conservative viewpoints, I don’t give 2 shits if Bill is in the files. He can burn like the rest.

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                Hell, I would say that Jon Stewart and Bernie could burn with the rest if they were in the files, but JS is in the files. Just not as a client or guest. Epstein apparently realized the clout that Stewart has/had and told someone that they “need a Jon Stewart type so that we can spin the story the right way.”

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              Releasing the files won’t have much if any impact on Bill. He’s not in there. He’s problematic in a slightly different context.

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    I’d rather see them demanding that Israel joins the NPT, but they don’t want to legitimize the existence of a genocide state by asking it to do things.

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    The Biden administration had the Epstein files. If they contained damning evidence why would they not use the files against Trump after they lost the election?

    And if the files are that damning to the Trmup admin what is stopping him from just keeping up dropping bombs?

    Currently it’s a question on how much consessions Iran have to offer for US to stop bombing. Not what demands they can issue to not block the strait.

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      Because Democrats are complicit in everything that Republicans do. Democrats exist to create the appearance of opposition, while in reality both parties serve the interests of the wealthy. Uncovering the wealthy class’s depraved deeds does not serve those interests, which is why neither party really wants that.

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        We need to delineate here. It’s not all Democrats, it’s ones that are taking corporate, AIPAC and other dark money. Grassroots campaigns are the only successful way to get candidates that represent working class constituents because that’s where the money comes from. This all goes back to Citizen’s United, which was the largest attack on democracy in my lifetime.

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          When I say Democrats here what I mean is the party leaders and the politicians who align with them (that is, the vast majority of them). There can be individuals who run as Democrats who don’t align with the party, but the party leadership is actively against them. For instance, Zohran Mamdani’s run was opposed by Democrat party leadership. He’s more of an independent than a true Democrat.

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        Realistically Biden probably cared more about all the Israeli officials showing up in there and the appearance that Epstein was a Mossad asset than it being embarrassing for like the Clintons, etc.

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        Because it screws donors on both sides and the politicians serve the people who pay them.

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      Wasn’t this because:

      1. The investigation into Maxwell was in process so it would hurt the case against her to release them?
      2. They were legally sealed until 2024?

      Edit: srsl, correct me. I could very well be wrong

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        Also, the Bush Admin gave Epstein a plea deal in 2008, but under Obama FBI investigations continued culminating in arrest of Epstein and Maxwell.

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      Because Biden loves Israel more than he wanted to stop Trump. That’s why he decided to do genocide instead of win reelection.

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      Also, the attorney general isn’t supposed to be a lapdog for the president, they’re supposed to act autonomously to enforce checks and balances and… The law. I know, silly notion. This is a huge shift in corruption that sadly, the American people have come to accept due to propaganda and normalization. The files were sealed due to the Maxwell investigation by a federal judge, which is normal during an ongoing investigation. Then they were reopened by Congress during the Trump regime and the attorney general doesn’t follow the law and there’s no accountability due to the aforementioned efforts.

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    Because our entire government has been corrupted by the same capital class that are the Epstein class.

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    Honestly, I don’t think Iranian control of the strait in any capacity is going to be up for negotiation, so it would alread be a nonstarter before they made any demands.

    They would have to demand release of the Epstein Files in return for withdrawing from the strait.

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      The Iranians essentially practicing piracy in the strait is unambiguously counter to international law (UNCLOS), and breaks one of the fundamental elements of how world diplomacy has worked in the modern world. What the Iranians are doing is in fact an act of war against all nations which ships the Iranian stop.

      Countries like those in the EU are keeping a low profile right now, because Trump has made such a giant mess of the diplomacy. But long term, I can’t imagine they will let this fly.

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      🥺 Will you at least mention me as the source?

      Or will you do as me and steal without linking to the source?