It’s not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

  • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyz
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    I wasn’t implying people who care about politics on whatever side are losers. I was saying that people are accusing PugJesus of being a loser because he cares and argues about politics, and lemmy.ml is the glassiest of glass houses as far as that accusation.

    Ok, that makes more sense.

    I did think about “migrating” to some other place for the topics I care about that have communities like YPTB on dbzer0, but just like in the 196 case, it doesn’t really work entirely that way, and anyway if they continue to let me say what I want to say in YPTB, I probably won’t really care beyond just voicing my opinion on it all.

    It’s up to you. I think it would be good to have another !yptb community that’s not satire or a one person creation.

    You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.

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      You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.

      I actually lean more towards the side of “let the people talk.” Some direct personal insults I feel like are maybe worth keeping away (I read this comment and was going to voice my agreement but then when I got to the “moron” part that instantly made me conclude, welp buddy, that’s not productive). Mostly though I think the main asset of an alternative mod feedback community is that the dbzer0 admins are fine doing deletions and bans from YPTB for various reasons including “trying to stir up instance drama over our genAI policies, which are not up for debate.” UP-FOR-DEBATING THE POLICIES IS LITERALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY. But, as soon as someone comes into it and disagrees with the dbzer0 admins on some issue, they often decide it is some particular category of not allowed debate, and ban the person.

      There are some other examples on that page that to me are equally stupid, but that one takes the cake to me. If I were to make a competing YPTB community, I think that’s the most important rule I would change, personal attacks being allowed or not is a lot less crucial than that to me.

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        11 months ago

        This is a direct consequence of having that community part of dbzer0.

        A community is still subject to the rules of the instance hosting it.

        A potential alternative would be to have the alternative community on an instance with a very few rules, but there’s none that I know of at the moment.

        Israel, drag, AI, every topic would still come up in the comments of a new community, and the mods of that new community would probably have to take a stance on those, or just see endless slapfights in the comments

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          An instance whose rules include “the rules are not up for debate” has no business hosting a community for critique of moderation. I would actually expand that to say that it’s pretty silly to have that rule in the first place, regardless of what communities you’re hosting, but it does seem to be a pretty popular viewpoint here for some reason. I’m legitimately surprised to hear it from an instance that’s described as anarchist. The .ml instances are at least more open with their political alignments and then consistent with them in their moderation in practice.

          Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds, I guess, lol