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    Hey good news you’re now free. You better stop having your religion, your language, or your culture. Otherwise we will throw you in the skeleton river bone pile. Please say thank you or you guessed it bone pile.

    Maybe we strive to support counties that don’t turn people into bone piles or slaves? Just a thought, you won’t get it though

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      Lol none of those things are remotely true. Tibetans are free to practice Buddhism and the vast majority speak their own language, as they were taught in public schools. If anything, there are almost certainly more people fluent than there were when the lamas were in charge, the serfs weren’t exactly taught to read and write in any language.

      Maybe we strive to support counties that don’t turn people into bone piles or slaves?

      That’s a good thought, you should try it sometime. Which makes me wonder, again, why you’re still bearing a grudge over a slaver theocracy being ended 70 years ago.

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        Sure today, back then it was straight to the bone pile or boarding schools. You could say the same about the Native Americans. Doesn’t mean they didn’t expirence an active and ongoing genocide until recently. Doesn’t suddenly make those past actions go away.

        You wouldn’t paint the conqistadors as saviors, but they ended a slave empire that practiced human sacrifice. Doesn’t absolve them of what they did after.

        If China did this for the good of Tibet they wouldn’t have been annexed. Nor would they have had all of their resources exploited. But you know what’s a little colonialism, as long as your side does it right?

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          They didn’t “annex” Tibet because Tibet had already been a part of China for the past 200 years. That’s like calling the Civil War “colonialism” because the Union “annexed” the Confederacy.

          This shit about Native Americans is pure projection. Native languages are in danger, in a way the Tibetan language is not and never has been. All you’re doing is taking something the West did and saying, “Well China must have done this too” with nothing to back it up.

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            Right a power drawing a line on a map claiming land and then enforcing that claim via violence totally isn’t colonialism.

            Do yourself a favor and don’t look into the linguistic history of what is today China. You will see an impressive number of languages that became extinct in the past 100 years.

            The Navajo language, like the Tibetan language, is doing well today too. Doesn’t change the history. It’s like you are unable to look at history you find inconvenient. I don’t defend the brutalization of indeginious populations, you do for some odd reason. Oh right you’re an imperialist authoritarian

            Please refer to the meme if this is still too hard for you

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              Right a power drawing a line on a map claiming land and then enforcing that claim via violence totally isn’t colonialism.

              That’s every state that has ever existed or could theoretically exist, lol. That’s not what colonialism is.

              I don’t defend the brutalization of indeginious populations, you do for some odd reason.

              The only people who’s “brutalization” I’m defending are slaver theocrats, who’s authoritarian boots you’re licking. The indigenous population was being brutalized before, and fared much better after the revolution.

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                Oh right the old everyone kills their neighbors defense so all genocide is a-ok.

                Yeah no, I hold the modern world to a higher standard than that sorry.

                Feels like you are finally admitting to the imperialism at least

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                  Oh right the old everyone kills their neighbors defense so all genocide is a-ok.

                  Not even remotely close to what I said.

                  Feels like you are finally admitting to the imperialism at least

                  Not even remotely close to what I said.

                  “States existing” is neither imperialism nor colonialism lmao. Is Switzerland imperialist?

                  Yeah no, I hold the modern world to a higher standard than that sorry.

                  A higher standard than could theoretically exist, yes you do. By setting a standard that’s completely impossible for any state to achieve, you can “both sides” anything.

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                    Did modern day switzerland (post ww2 seems like a good line but I’m open on this) draw a random ass claim on parts of France and fill the river with skeletons? That’s certainly not in any history book I’ve ever seen

                    And no need to say it, it’s the obvious conclusion to your points. Just gotta step away from the boot.