Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.

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    Third such fundraiser in hexbear, maybe it’s time to reconsider who’s the worst person :P

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      Hexbear banned me just for posting a meme of Bernie Sanders kissing Vladimir Putin with the caption “Tankies ❤️ Dead Palestinians”.

      I don’t care how much money they raise. They are monsters. Inhuman, vile, irredeemable filth. Anyone who doesn’t let me post in their community is the worst kind of pond scum.

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      Let me know when they’ll do a fundraiser for Ukraine…

      Edit: the tankies are here to brigade this thread… someone lit the fires of hexbear lol

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        Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don’t think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

        In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don’t want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don’t want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government’s policy without hating on Iranian people.

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          No its not good enough. They’ve done far more damage to Palestine by advocating against Harris in 2024.

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          Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don’t think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.

          That’s not the point, it’s great they’re doing something good but they spread intolerance via propaganda from authoritarian countries.

          In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don’t want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don’t want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government’s policy without hating on Iranian people.

          You must be blind then, because.ml and hexbear are both massive voices on Ukraine being filled with Nazis and it should be wiped out and returned to russia. The only reason they hate what Israel is doing is because Israel is backed by the west, which they hate.

          Would you be here saying how great it is for a white supremacists group raising funds for something? Probably not.

          Tolerance of the intolerant must not be allowed.

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            They’re horrible because they disagree with the amount of Nazis in Ukraine?

            What percentage of Nazis in Ukraine would you consider “tolerant”, when does the switch flip from “tolerant” to “intolerant”?

            Everyone gets called Nazis, sitting at a table with Nazis makes you a Nazi, and so on.

            but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really

            propaganda doesn’t make it wrong. They DO genuinely have a Nazi problem, see far-right Azov movement. Would you agree that is a problem? Or do you assert that is fake, and the movement never happened or something?

            https://www.theleftchapter.com/post/total-militarization-the-azov-movement-is-colonizing-ukrainian-society-with-neo-nazi-war-ideology

            Is “the left chapter” and hundreds of other sources all Russian propaganda? there is a ton of information online, all fake?

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                Why everyone?

                Wouldn’t it be reasonable for Ukraine not to have Nazi military brigades? Is that a bridge too far for you, a Ukrainian?

                Isn’t that an official arm of your government? Are they right wing nationalists or not? I’ve seen them wear SS badges on many occasions, is that AI or fake? You would know better than I.

                I agree, Russia should start in their own backyard, as should all nations. I am against all Nazis and far-right nationalists, in every country, and against armed invasion (like USA’s Iran war and Russia’s invasion).

                So… you still have a Nazi problem, and in your armed forces no less… do you agree? Or are they not a problem for you? Or are they fake news?

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                  First I’m not Ukrainian. I have family there but I don’t live there or claim that I am Ukrainian. Secondly having groups like that exists everywhere, it doesn’t magically give a country a reason to invade and kill civilians. Or do you think that’s ok because a group existed?

                  The Azov regiment had a past, but that’s no longer the case. It hasn’t been that way for more than a decade now. In fact, they didn’t even pull 2% of the votes. AfD pulls way more than that and has an actual voice in Germany, why isn’t France marching into Germany and de-nazifying them?

                  https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220325-azov-regiment-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war

                  So I’ll ask again, do you think that a country should be invaded and it’s civilians targeted and killed because there are white supremacists/kkk/neonazis/racist/etc. In the military ranks?

                  All countries have far right shit heels, it’s not going to magically go away, and probably will never go away, but it doesn’t give another country the right to invade and kill civilians.

                  You’re just repeating russian propaganda.

                  PS…you tankies need to stick with .ml or something, jumping to other instances gets annoying having to tag you when you show up.

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            and it should be wiped out and returned to russia

            You are definitely making this up, saying something like this would first get you dunked and then banned, feel free to do the experiment. I’m saying this as both a frequent hexbear user and someone who hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my own home at the beginning of the war. Again, not the correct post or community to be arguing about this shit.

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              https://hexbear.net/post/253926

              I dunno what instance you think I’m talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:

              “(but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really).”

              Is not pro Ukrainian, it’s russian propaganda.

              You might need to check and see if the hexbear I’m talking about is the same one you are thinking of.

              I’m not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.

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                Great, so now you’re moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying “Ukrainians should be wiped out” to “the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem”, at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.

                Also, “not that Russia’s invasion had anything to do with that” is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine’s government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.

                It’s a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn’t wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn’t easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?

                Edit: holy shit you’re being disingenuous, the post you’re quoting literally says the following: “the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers” right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you’re not arguing in good faith, you’re making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.

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                  https://hexbear.net/post/228858

                  Good, fuck Ukraine and their victim bullshit, the entire USSR was affected by the Soviet Famine of the 1930s, and relative to their population it wasn’t even the Ukrainians, but the people of Kazakhstan that lost the most people, yet you never hear them be this fucking obnoxious and claim they were “genocided”. The “Holodomor” was not a genocide, it’s Nazi propaganda.

                  You’re blind if you think they’re pro-ukrainian there.

                  It takes 2 seconds to find shit like this all over hexbear.

                  Hexbear is trash and a stain on the fediverse. They give it a bad name and is why the mass majority of instances have defederated from them.

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                    They are correct, though, and they’re not arguing for elimination of Ukrainians, they’re disagreeing with the modern, western-manufactured idea of the “holodomor” as a willing manmade famine directed to Ukraine in particular with the intention of ethnic cleansing, which is entirely unsupported and a fringe position in actual modern evidence-based historiographical analysis. There was a USSR-wide famine due to unforeseen consequences of rapid collectivization, which had to be carried out this way to pursue the rapid industrialization that saved all Slavic ethnicities from being exterminated by Nazis. This rapid collectivization and industrialization ended up saving a hundred million lives from extermination at the hands of Nazism, and also gave rise to unprecedented life expectancy in the region through the elimination of famines altogether after that (excluding ww2), which were previously commonplace throughout the history of the region.

                    The argument is not “fuck Ukrainians, they deserved the holodomor”, it’s “I’m angry when I have to constantly engage with the western-manufactured and nazi-peddled conspiracy theories of genocide against Ukrainians during the Soviet Union”. You surely understand that the user is angry at this.

                    If you’re interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2, which has been the transition to capitalism:

                    Suffice it to say, I dont support the state model of the current Russian Republic, and I honestly believe that Ukrainians lived better under Socialism than they do now, they were already the most impoverished nation in Europe before the war after 30 years of neoliberalism and corruption. Now they’ve gone from being an industrial powerhouse of the USSR with guaranteed healthcare, education, housing and employment, to being a playground for war games of the Russian Republic and the western empire.