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      This is not the case in any of the AES countries.

      China, Cuba, Historical USSR. No such thing what you described. It’s state-controlled. In china, it’s bureaucratic class that controls the media, not average workers by any means.

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        The state is governed by the working classes in China, Cuba, USSR, etc. Administration is not a class, it’s a subset of a broader class, ie the proletariat. Classes are relations to ownership of production and distribution, not simply job categories.

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          The bureaucracy is still a class category that is distinct from workers in general with its own class interests.

          States such as China aren’t really governed by the working classes.

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            No, this is not how class or the state works. Administration is a subset of a class, just like teachers and doctors are not classes.

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              Teachers and doctors don’t get to make laws to further their own interests, make it easier for others they know to do the same, amongst the countless other power moves bureaucrats are able to pull off. This power concentrates and develops them into their own class with their own interests because they are so largely cut off and distinguished from the rest of the working population.

              Teachers and doctors are nothing like bureaucrats, that’s a fallacious analogy.

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                Teachers and doctors do get to manipulate their own positions to their own advantage. You’re treating sub-categories of larger categories as distinct from said category, and not a part of it. The class interests of administrators are aligned with the rest of the working classes, towards collectivization of production and distribution and helping everyone. Corruption exists, sure, but this doesn’t mean this is an impossible hurdle, just like the fact that we can get sick doesn’t mean we can’t exist publicly.

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                  Teachers and doctors do not make their own laws.

                  I gave you reasons, you’re reverting to vague responses to make generalized truisms that aren’t true when analyzed specifically.

                  You’re not engaging with my reasoning about why bureaucracy is entirely different at all.

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                    They don’t need to make their own laws to be able to abuse their positions. You’re still looking at different categories within the same class as evidence of being a different class, but that’s not how class works. Administration plays a necessary functional role in society, and the class character of administration comes from the distribution of ownership and control of political and economic power.