Wait. You think it would take “decades” for some of the most industrialized countries on the planet to start making weapons…that they already know how to make? I don’t think you realize how many of the highly specialised machines that are required for making those weapons, are actually manufactured in Europe already.

Europeans pledged to produce 1.5 mil artillery shells for Ukraine. A bunch of money was allocated to various slush funds, and the shells never materialized.

Are you talking about this? If so, it seems you are getting your information from questionable sources.

And yes, NATO is a defensive alliance. If you want to get technical about that list of countries that “NATO” attacked…that was actually the United Nations, in every case except for Iraq. And most NATO nations didn’t participate in that invasion. That was the US and Great Britain acting alone, very similar to the current situation with the US and Israel attacking Iran. All the other campaigns you mentioned were UN sanctioned. I agree that some of those should never have happened…but at least place the responsibility where it belongs.

And why would it matter whether China is a NATO ally or not. China is the only major world power that can contest the US. Why would anybody be imbecilic enough to want to turn China into a potential adversary?

You need to go back and read what I wrote. China cannot be trusted with proprietary military designs. They would be sold to the highest bidder as soon as China was able to replicate the manufacturing process. There is a reason why most of NATO’s weapons are produced in the US, and the rest are produced by NATO allies. You don’t just outsource your highly classified military tech, to people you know will steal it.

And not sure which capabilities you claim already exist. Given how NATO weapons performed in Ukraine and Iran, it’s pretty clear that there is no meaningful capability here.

I don’t know, man. Ukraine has done pretty well, holding off Russia for the last few years, using NATO’s surplus. Again, I think you’re getting bad information when it comes to the specifics of your argument.