Yeah I’m not gonna use ChatGPT to summarize essays to prove my point like your .ml heroes. You can look up what happened in Detroit in the 50’s and 60’s, actually most manufacturing areas have followed the same trajectory. Something like two-thirds of our manufacturing potential has been lost since ww2 — the reason is consistent for every sector. Globalization allowed for cheap labor overseas to arrest manufacturing from capitalist countries. China as it is never could have existed without capitalism.
Some of what you said is true, actually. Previously:
China wouldn’t have made it this far without “opening up,” the purpose of which was to accelerate the development of the productive forces by importing capital, technology, and knowledge from advanced capitalist states.
The capitalist states didn’t realize this at the time, though. They thought China’s “opening up” was the “liberalization” of China, as happened to the USSR. China punked them. The West de-industrialized itself for “cheap” labor, and now China holds the cards.
What’s different about China is that, unlike in capitalist states, the capitalists don’t run the state.
It’s extremely fucking telling that when shitlibs can’t even imagine someone being able to actually make a compelling argument themselves. “I could never do that, so they must have used ChatGPT!”
Wild take with no evidence. I question whether you’re even arguing in good faith.
I guage the time it takes for them to respond with their essays. Something strikes me as off when I respond to someone and within 5 minutes I get an essay with 10 sources all neatly formatted. Is it AI? Are they canned templates tuned for individual threads? Don’t know, I do know something is off and I don’t trust it — you clearly don’t think the same.
Elaborate. Do you refer to their policies or the inflow of capital to the country?
I refer to their transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one. If you think that China is where it is today without the effects of globalization then we don’t really have anything to speak about.
I guage the time it takes for them to respond with their essays. Something strikes me as off when I respond to someone and within 5 minutes I get an essay with 10 sources all neatly formatted. Is it AI? Are they canned templates tuned for individual threads? Don’t know, I do know something is off and I don’t trust it — you clearly don’t think the same.
Hove you considered the fact that anti-communists such as yourself tend to revolve 5-6 talking points/narratives which means whenever you recycle it many people can simply search the keyword in their own histories and copy paste a reply with minimal edits. If you were more creative you’d definitely see less fast replies.
Yeah there are a couple .mlers I’ve had conversations with that were genuine and didn’t seem weird. They actually provided a lot of good information about things I wasn’t aware of, specifically some of the things I’ve referenced in this thread.
I’m not anti-communist, as you’ve decided, I’m anti-manipulation. Why don’t you try engaging with the points I’ve made instead of attacking my character, because I won’t be dancing with you on whatever dribble you just put out.
Yeah there are a couple .mlers I’ve had conversations with that were genuine and didn’t seem weird. They actually provided a lot of good information about things I wasn’t aware of, specifically some of the things I’ve referenced in this thread.
Very cool but completely irrelevant to the claim that people on ml can respond to your recycled drivel with well sourced comments quickly and thus are all secretly using ai.
Are they canned templates tuned for individual threads?
Chances are this is what you’re seeing. Essays and sources made and compiled, kept on hand. I do the same for the latter at minimum.
I refer to their transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one. If you think that China is where it is today without the effects of globalization then we don’t really have anything to speak about.
The industrial base formed by Mao remains completely intact. State-owned Enterprises have always had full or near-full control of all critical industries. Let’s not forget the Soviets industrialized without any of those benefits. Moreover, while what happened under Deng Xiaoping sped up development, China was never capitalist nor state capitalist.
Jeff J. Brown, a China analyst, details this further in this excerpt from an interview about his book China Rising: Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations:
“The greatest misunderstanding about China is that when Deng Xiaoping came out with his reform, everybody thinks that China became a capitalist country. Only part of the economy was turned over to capitalist practices, the vast bulk of the Chinese economy is still very much Communist. Let me explain why, first off China has no private real estate, every square inch of this country is owned by the state, people are not buying land, they’re buying long-term leases up to 70 years, this has a powerful impact on keeping people from amassing tremendous wealth. Secondly, the economy, all the big heavyweight industries are all state-owned. They only allow maximum 30% ownership by non-state owners, and they have very strict stock concentration laws that prevent anybody from amassing more than a tiny percentage. That’s the bulk of the economy, the rest of it is the small business entrepreneurial sector that is almost all privately owned. What the Chinese do is they turn these consumer goods, these high volume, low margin industries over to the people and let them fight it out, helping keep prices and inflation down. With the government owning all the land and the huge industrial sectors, it is still very very Communist. The other thing that makes it Communist is they still have the Five-Year Plan, just like Lenin set out. The reason why China is kicking the butt off of Europe and North America is because the government has already planned to have X number of products. This is why the mixed model of a predominately government-owned economy mixed with a vibrant lower economy in the private hands is working wonders.”
Yeah I’m not gonna use ChatGPT to summarize essays to prove my point like your .ml heroes. You can look up what happened in Detroit in the 50’s and 60’s, actually most manufacturing areas have followed the same trajectory. Something like two-thirds of our manufacturing potential has been lost since ww2 — the reason is consistent for every sector. Globalization allowed for cheap labor overseas to arrest manufacturing from capitalist countries. China as it is never could have existed without capitalism.
Some of what you said is true, actually. Previously:
What’s different about China is that, unlike in capitalist states, the capitalists don’t run the state.
It’s extremely fucking telling that when shitlibs can’t even imagine someone being able to actually make a compelling argument themselves. “I could never do that, so they must have used ChatGPT!”
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Your points on what happened in the US are fair, and I refined my specific critique. That being said,
Wild take with no evidence. I question whether you’re even arguing in good faith.
Elaborate. Do you refer to their policies or the inflow of capital to the country?
I guage the time it takes for them to respond with their essays. Something strikes me as off when I respond to someone and within 5 minutes I get an essay with 10 sources all neatly formatted. Is it AI? Are they canned templates tuned for individual threads? Don’t know, I do know something is off and I don’t trust it — you clearly don’t think the same.
I refer to their transition from an agricultural society to an industrialized one. If you think that China is where it is today without the effects of globalization then we don’t really have anything to speak about.
Hove you considered the fact that anti-communists such as yourself tend to revolve 5-6 talking points/narratives which means whenever you recycle it many people can simply search the keyword in their own histories and copy paste a reply with minimal edits. If you were more creative you’d definitely see less fast replies.
Right, right.
Yeah there are a couple .mlers I’ve had conversations with that were genuine and didn’t seem weird. They actually provided a lot of good information about things I wasn’t aware of, specifically some of the things I’ve referenced in this thread.
I’m not anti-communist, as you’ve decided, I’m anti-manipulation. Why don’t you try engaging with the points I’ve made instead of attacking my character, because I won’t be dancing with you on whatever dribble you just put out.
Very cool but completely irrelevant to the claim that people on ml can respond to your recycled drivel with well sourced comments quickly and thus are all secretly using ai.
You’re doing a great job cosplaying one then.
Yeah ok man, very compelling argument — very astute.
As opposed to your very compelling argument of “your arguments are too good, that’s suspicious!”
That isn’t what I said, at all — but I’ve interacted with you before, I don’t need to explain myself to a literal cave person.
More compelling than “fast replies to recycled drivel means everyone is using ai”.
Chances are this is what you’re seeing. Essays and sources made and compiled, kept on hand. I do the same for the latter at minimum.
The industrial base formed by Mao remains completely intact. State-owned Enterprises have always had full or near-full control of all critical industries. Let’s not forget the Soviets industrialized without any of those benefits. Moreover, while what happened under Deng Xiaoping sped up development, China was never capitalist nor state capitalist.
Jeff J. Brown, a China analyst, details this further in this excerpt from an interview about his book China Rising: Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations: