He elaborated that older menus were essentially just unhiding a pre-rendered, fixed layout panel with zero DPI scaling changes and no network requests. Today, the Windows 11 Start menu is constantly pulling in recommended recent documents, cloud files, and web search results.
What about not doing any network request and looking up for search’s that nobody asked for?
What about showing the result that exactly matches the search query instead of a bunch of similar items?
For instance, when you type in the word “add” as in, “add or remove a program”, why the fuck does start show you printers?
I swear it’s impossible to get to that menu via the start menu. Every time I find a way to make it the first result, they seem to change it after a few months. I’d say it’s the hardest settings tab to get to.
Because obviously you want to Add A Printer, and that’s the only thing they can conceive of. If you wanted to uninstall something, why install it in the first place? Everything Microsoft provides on first install is vital, so it can’t be any of that stuff
I swear windows search has been getting worse and worse since Windows 8. 8s start menu sucked, but it’s search was great.
Interestingly, macOS’ Spotlight search can do this exact same thing, without any major performance hits…
Spotlight is awesome and I love it (Mac user here).
When I had Windows, I did try Everything (which is basically Spotlight for Windows) and I didn’t get it. Now I do. I regret not using that program more. Way back in the day, in Windows 95, I used to have “short codes” set up for nearly every application on my computer, and I think it was .bat shortcuts that launched them. So Win+R, the short code, the app launches. I don’t think autocomplete was a thing then (otherwise it would have been unnecessary). I had the short codes taped to the side of the tower, printed, but with a bunch of hand-written ones added after. So I’ve really been doing this for about 30 years off and on.
I love Everything, I have it set to trigger with Ctrl+Alt+Space
If you’re looking for this functionality in Windows, you want Powertoys Run
Now why would I want to go back to that shitfest of an OS?
Also, no. Powertoys Run is a similar concept, however, Spotlight fills the exact same role as the Search bar on Windows. It’s literally the OS provided search feature, which is crap on Windows, and has been pretty reliable on macOS for over a decade now
“All modern operating systems do this, including macOS and Linux. It’s not ‘cheating’; this is how modern systems make apps feel fast: they temporarily boost the CPU speed and prioritize interactive tasks to reduce latency”
Imagine making code so fucking bloated that things that were near instant in 2006 now require CPU boosts to “feel” instant. The video comparison in the article is just opening outlook. 14 seconds vs 4 seconds to get to the damned thing ready to use.
“There are actual things wrong and smart people are working to fix them, but a lot of this negativity is computer science enthusiasts without experience in computer science making assumptions based on their intuition.”
You don’t need to be a computer scientist to figure that
even if the company does something positive, critics, with basic knowledge, come up with baseless explanations about how it’s something negative.
Author sure enjoys licking M$'s balls
Linux menus can feel lighter because they often do less work
Because, for the most part, they’re not bloated messes.
and integrate fewer services
How many of those services are even desired in the first fucking place? Copilot can go to hell and take all the advertising and telemetry with it.
However, bandwagon criticism of an already established technology when a company you dislike adopts it is plain hypocrisy.
It’s only hypocrisy if you defend others doing it.
He elaborated that older [Windows 95-XP-7] menus were essentially just unhiding a pre-rendered, fixed layout panel with zero DPI scaling changes and no network requests. Today, the Windows 11 Start menu is constantly pulling in recommended recent documents, cloud files, and web search results.
Even fucking win10 menu feels much faster than win11’s under default settings, i’ve had 11’s menu hang and completely fail to search for anything because it looks like it prioritizes web searches over fucking local. Using Open Shell solves a lot of the woes of having to deal with the slow, heavy shit M$ is forcing down its users’ throats.
When users demanded that Microsoft remove all the bloat and optimize the apps first before implementing a CPU boost, Hanselman replied, “Or do both.”
Copilot is still everywhere. Telemetry is still there. Ads are still there. Xbox Game bar is still installed by default on fucking office/corporate computers. The bloat that people want to get rid of the most is staying, to the surprise of no one.
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“All modern operating systems do this, including macOS and Linux. It’s not ‘cheating’; this is how modern systems make apps feel fast: they temporarily boost the CPU speed and prioritize interactive tasks to reduce latency”
I mean this part I agree with them on. Good on them for finally figuring out something that other operating systems, including free ones, have been doing for a while now.
The video comparison in the article is just opening outlook. 14 seconds vs 4 seconds to get to the damned thing ready to use.
Lol. lmao, even
I’m just surprised the got outlook opened in 14 seconds in the first place. I’m also surprised they’ve managed to write an email client so fucking horrible it takes 14 seconds to open in the first place. Though in my experience it’s more like a minute since my only Windows computer and the only computer I need to access Outlook on also has bossware on it and only has a a 13th gen i5 so it’s like 20 years too old to run Windows 11 efficiently…
I know right?
I feel like 14 seconds is like approaching launching an application when your HDD was kind of fragmented back in Windows XP days.
Or like rendering an image on dial-up modem.
I tried to change my headphone Volumen today and it took 5 seconds to Show the sliders.
Woooow. That’s truly impressive for all the wrong reasons.
There are actual things wrong and smart people are working to fix them, but a lot of this negativity is computer science enthusiasts without experience in computer science making assumptions based on their intuition.
But windows 95 still managed to draw the start menu with a 386 and 10MB of RAM, so computer science aside, decisions have been made over a decade to make it shitty.
I am frequently annoyed by kdes menu being slow tbh :(
it is a lazy trick. another one is ‘fast startup’ (which is essentially ‘logout-then-hibernate’) to make your pc appear to boot up faster.
lol, You can’t stop a trainwreck as it happens. They are truly beyond any chance of redemption.
Hahaha windows is such a mess
Hmm, has Microslop considered that people don’t love this when Apple does it and are thus running Windows instead? Food for thought…
That does seem like a dumb thing to be complaining about. Human UI interactions should be given pretty high priority, and pinning the CPU to max clock speed sounds like a sensible optimization.
I feel like there’s some other issue here the author isn’t touching on, maybe.
Pinning the CPU clock uses more power, and generates more heat. If it were “sensible” to do so, then the CPUs for consumer devices wouldn’t have variable clock speeds to begin with.
Since people do care about devices getting hot in their hands, and draining batteries, this is a stupid and lazy fix for a problem of their own making and they’re expecting users to put up with the problems it causes in exchange for Microsoft being able to treat their operating system the same way social media companies treat their feeds
It’s not permanently running at max frequency. It’s raising it as needed, which is exactly the point of having variable frequency. Generally the user can provide guidelines for the cpu governor to control or guide its behavior according to power, performance, and thermal constraints. I think Windows has power plan modes for this.
Pinning the CPU clock can have certain uses.
There is always an xkcd.
As the article points out, both Linux and Mac OS do the exact same thing. And I don’t see people giving them shit for it. Is it stupid and lazy when they do it?
Keyboards used to do this. The effect was that mashing on the keyboard slowed the computer
Explorer seems to be crashing a lot since the last update on my pc
I asked Microslop:
That’s just normal behaviour for Explorer, and there are many Linux applications that crash so everyone does it.
Going by title alone, and not knowing the situation:
If it’s a problem indeed, two wrongs don’t make a right.
Wait what?? I can’t read this high school gossip article but that is basic ass behavior what is the problem now?
