And there lies the problem with just replacing cars with buses, you must slow down, stop, wait, and then speed up again many more times than compared to a car. And most of the time you have to deal with (at least 1) connection. And then you have to walk or bike a significant distance both to and from the bus stop.
Now factor in that most people are going to need a vehicle in the US for various other tasks… I use mine as part of my job to carry equipment from place to place, as part of my recreation to get a kayak around, as part of home maintenance to bring in new materials and carry out old stuff… All stuff I need to do on a fairly regular basis. So I’m paying to own and maintain a car already, why would I pay more to travel (much) slower, using more effort, and having less flexibility about when and where I can go?
Simply put, major bus network don’t work in most of the US because only our most densely populated cities meet the threshold where the bus is even close to meeting a personal vehicle in terms of cost, time, and stress.
And there lies the problem with just replacing cars with buses
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m showing the idea in the OP (exclusive streets for “public” urban transport) is old as fuck and yet those money hoarders are reinventing it in a worse way. That’s it.
If you want my actual take on what’s the “best”: I do not think replacing everything with buses is sensible. I think buses and metropolitan trains are a good backbone, but there should be a mix, including direct transportation (e.g. taxi, regardless of being self-driving or not).
So congrats for building a straw man out of assumptions, and then beating it up. *yawn*
Now factor in that most people are going to need a vehicle in the US […]
Simply put, major bus network don’t work in most of the US […]
Emphasis mine. I’m not from USA, this comm is not about USA, and I’m clearly talking in a country-agnostic way, even if the pic I shared happens to be from my country (and city).
So, lemme be a wee bit blunt: why do you think I bloody care about USA enough to discuss the particularities of transport there? I don’t.
If USA or Kazakhstan or Nigeria or France or whatever have additional challenges against sane public transport, this perhaps warrants its own discussion thread. But it’s certainly not an excuse to narrow a discussion down from “everybody should be able to chime in” into “HOW DO PEOPLE DARE TO NOT TALK ABOUT MY COUNTRY?”, okay?
If you want my actual take on what’s the “best”: I do not think replacing everything with buses is sensible. I think buses and metropolitan trains are a good backbone, but there should be a mix, including direct transportation (e.g. taxi, regardless of being self-driving or not).
So congrats for building a straw man out of assumptions, and then beating it up. yawn
I think you need to take a break and go outside. Can you point to the statement I made where I accused you of thinking that buses were best? I’m pretty sure I was pointing out the issue with buses in the US, which is that most people aren’t coming and going to the same nearby places, and a lot of people need the extra utility of a personal vehicle and aren’t going to bother with the extra cost and inconvenience of a bus.
Perhaps it is you, who has built a straw man?
But it’s certainly not an excuse to narrow a discussion down from “everybody should be able to chime in” into “HOW DO PEOPLE DARE TO NOT TALK ABOUT MY COUNTRY?”
The irony of saying that right after this…
Emphasis mine. I’m not from USA, this comm is not about USA, and I’m clearly talking in a country-agnostic way, even if the pic I shared happens to be from my country (and city).
So, lemme be a wee bit blunt: why do you think I bloody care about USA enough to discuss the particularities of transport there? I don’t.
Just absolutely floors me.
Not further wasting my time with you.
Glad to hear it. Go outside and I dunno, ride your wonderful bus around. You need a break. Go do something nice.
Let’s go further:
And…
That’s exactly what my city implemented in the 90s.
Those sociopathic money hoarders are desperate to reinvent the wheel, and everything else on it.
The sociopaths want everyone isolated, that’s better for control and their business
How many fuck loads of people do you know of who are coming from and going to the same place every day?
Millions of people ride the NYC subway every day , and take the city buses. So, a lot.
NYC population density : ~29,000 people per square mile.
Median population density of cities in the US : ~2000 people per square mile.
It depends on how wide or narrow you define “same place”.
If “same place” is “same neighbourhood, at walking distance”, and one of the neighbourhoods is downtown, then it’s quite a bit.
Plus buses are not restricted to two stations. And changing buses in the middle of your path is feasible, as long as the system is designed for that.
And there lies the problem with just replacing cars with buses, you must slow down, stop, wait, and then speed up again many more times than compared to a car. And most of the time you have to deal with (at least 1) connection. And then you have to walk or bike a significant distance both to and from the bus stop.
Now factor in that most people are going to need a vehicle in the US for various other tasks… I use mine as part of my job to carry equipment from place to place, as part of my recreation to get a kayak around, as part of home maintenance to bring in new materials and carry out old stuff… All stuff I need to do on a fairly regular basis. So I’m paying to own and maintain a car already, why would I pay more to travel (much) slower, using more effort, and having less flexibility about when and where I can go?
Simply put, major bus network don’t work in most of the US because only our most densely populated cities meet the threshold where the bus is even close to meeting a personal vehicle in terms of cost, time, and stress.
Externalized costs are paid by someone. Maybe even you, later.
And there lies the problem with US.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m showing the idea in the OP (exclusive streets for “public” urban transport) is old as fuck and yet those money hoarders are reinventing it in a worse way. That’s it.
If you want my actual take on what’s the “best”: I do not think replacing everything with buses is sensible. I think buses and metropolitan trains are a good backbone, but there should be a mix, including direct transportation (e.g. taxi, regardless of being self-driving or not).
So congrats for building a straw man out of assumptions, and then beating it up. *yawn*
Emphasis mine. I’m not from USA, this comm is not about USA, and I’m clearly talking in a country-agnostic way, even if the pic I shared happens to be from my country (and city).
So, lemme be a wee bit blunt: why do you think I bloody care about USA enough to discuss the particularities of transport there? I don’t.
If USA or Kazakhstan or Nigeria or France or whatever have additional challenges against sane public transport, this perhaps warrants its own discussion thread. But it’s certainly not an excuse to narrow a discussion down from “everybody should be able to chime in” into “HOW DO PEOPLE DARE TO NOT TALK ABOUT MY COUNTRY?”, okay?
Not further wasting my time with you.
I think you need to take a break and go outside. Can you point to the statement I made where I accused you of thinking that buses were best? I’m pretty sure I was pointing out the issue with buses in the US, which is that most people aren’t coming and going to the same nearby places, and a lot of people need the extra utility of a personal vehicle and aren’t going to bother with the extra cost and inconvenience of a bus.
Perhaps it is you, who has built a straw man?
The irony of saying that right after this…
Just absolutely floors me.
Glad to hear it. Go outside and I dunno, ride your wonderful bus around. You need a break. Go do something nice.