My reason is that I tried it, after focusing my attention on researching micronutrients for weeks, making an elaborate meal plan that covers everything, and taking supplements.
After 4 weeks, I felt hungry no matter how much I ate, and then I found a tuft of my hair in the shower sink.
I then ate a blue rare steak and it felt like a rush of euphoria and relief.
I don’t know what I was missing, but after so much research I was pretty sure I couldn’t figure it out.
So now I’m a “weekday vegan” + an occasional piece of blue cheese, meat or liver, and I’m feeling fine.
“Sure Flying burns huge amounts of fuel, releases greenhouse gases high in the atmosphere, and contributes to the climate damage, but my holidays and travel time is more important”
I’m not vegan or vegeterian. But I feel like that “unless you are doing both” is kinda a wrong argument to make, even almost bad faith.
Because i could say “ah so you are anti work abuse? Curious, you are using a phone made by leveraging abuse”
I think a more honest argument would be to weight the possibilities and the outcomes.
Producing meat does increase the carbon footprint, and the same can be said for flying.
The idea is, how much can beign vegan reduce this footprint, and how much removing unnecessary flights can save? So overall, how much i am saving doing one of those, instead of both?
Also, eating is an everyday activity, flying usually isn’t (in the example you reported)
I have no answers, i just didn’t like the argument
The point I’m trying to make is there are many ways to live more ethically, If you’re a vegan but fly a private jet, you don’t give a fuck about the environment, you’re just pretending you do.
You could also not be a vegan and care more about the environment than a lot of vegans.
I knew a militant vegan who removed the emissions filter from his diesel car, and tuned it to ‘roll coal’ (emit tons of smoke) because he thought it was cool.
Yeah we can agree on that one, of course cognitive dissonance is a thing so it’s ok to point it out. (I love animals but i eat meat, so I’m a perfect example)
The important thing is trying to remain civil, and looking for a discussion, rather than trying to dunk on one idea or the other (this in particular to vegans too)
Whom on Lemmy does that apply to?
Anyway, the point being made here is to make better decisions where reasonably possible. If you dive deep enough, absolutely nothing is fully ethical.
Like cleaning up your drive. You have little storage left, so you do a scan with Filelight.
Do you care about:
a) 1,000 20KiB config files
b) 40GiB pacman cache
c) 50GiB of music
You can probably just get rid of pacman cache, but with the size, you might just as well get rid of your music, no? What’s the point of removing pacman cache if your music is worse?
Devils Advocate: Some reasons outweigh others.
The list of why you should never get on a airplane is also very long.
Most common reason and arguably the real reason for most people not wanting to be vegan:
“But meat tastes so good, and I neeeed my pRoTEiN”
My reason is that I tried it, after focusing my attention on researching micronutrients for weeks, making an elaborate meal plan that covers everything, and taking supplements.
After 4 weeks, I felt hungry no matter how much I ate, and then I found a tuft of my hair in the shower sink.
I then ate a blue rare steak and it felt like a rush of euphoria and relief.
I don’t know what I was missing, but after so much research I was pretty sure I couldn’t figure it out.
So now I’m a “weekday vegan” + an occasional piece of blue cheese, meat or liver, and I’m feeling fine.
Same is true for Flying:
“Sure Flying burns huge amounts of fuel, releases greenhouse gases high in the atmosphere, and contributes to the climate damage, but my holidays and travel time is more important”
You’re just making a convincing case for not flying and changing habits / traditions to suit.
And calling out some hypocrisies.
Most people are only willing to make sacrifices for animals/the-environment as long as it suites their lifestyle.
OMG I’ll never eat fish that’s murder. 😡
12h+ flight flight to go on holiday 🥺👉👈 Whoopsie
I’m not vegan or vegeterian. But I feel like that “unless you are doing both” is kinda a wrong argument to make, even almost bad faith.
Because i could say “ah so you are anti work abuse? Curious, you are using a phone made by leveraging abuse”
I think a more honest argument would be to weight the possibilities and the outcomes.
Producing meat does increase the carbon footprint, and the same can be said for flying.
The idea is, how much can beign vegan reduce this footprint, and how much removing unnecessary flights can save? So overall, how much i am saving doing one of those, instead of both?
Also, eating is an everyday activity, flying usually isn’t (in the example you reported)
I have no answers, i just didn’t like the argument
Fair enough,
The point I’m trying to make is there are many ways to live more ethically, If you’re a vegan but fly a private jet, you don’t give a fuck about the environment, you’re just pretending you do.
You could also not be a vegan and care more about the environment than a lot of vegans.
I knew a militant vegan who removed the emissions filter from his diesel car, and tuned it to ‘roll coal’ (emit tons of smoke) because he thought it was cool.
There’s a lot of nuance
Yeah we can agree on that one, of course cognitive dissonance is a thing so it’s ok to point it out. (I love animals but i eat meat, so I’m a perfect example)
The important thing is trying to remain civil, and looking for a discussion, rather than trying to dunk on one idea or the other (this in particular to vegans too)
100% agree, I feel if people chill out and accept imperfection they’d get more people on their side.
Why I don’t like being left wing sometimes
Whom on Lemmy does that apply to?
Anyway, the point being made here is to make better decisions where reasonably possible. If you dive deep enough, absolutely nothing is fully ethical.
Like cleaning up your drive. You have little storage left, so you do a scan with Filelight.
Do you care about:
a) 1,000 20KiB config files
b) 40GiB pacman cache
c) 50GiB of music
You can probably just get rid of pacman cache, but with the size, you might just as well get rid of your music, no? What’s the point of removing pacman cache if your music is worse?
reducto absurdum, I’m just trying to make a point / get a message across.
I’d be surprised if anyone here flies a private jet.
Yes there is no true way to live ethically, you will cause the death of hundreds of vibrates just by being alive.
Both are “money”