boycotting cant do shit when it’s israel, everyone would have to stop paying their taxes, stop going to the majority of chain shops, stop buying any sort of electronics and start growing their own shit in your own backyard for it to actually work on israel
in most electronics there is something made by shitsrael, eastern european originated hitler himself said some shit like “the phone in your pocket is a piece of israel” or something
still. boycotts aren’t about all or nothing. they’re a long term strategy of learning to find alternatives, build up alternative ways of being to what’s presented, and redirecting power in small ways that make a difference when there’s mass engagement.
take for example. someone in this thread referred to eurovision as an unofficial pride event for people who don’t feel safe expressing that identity outside of this period. maybe this year that person goes and watches eurovision at a locally owned bar that’s playing it so fewer screens are tuned in. there maybe they just get to know some other people who are feeling a way about this. further, you can also dedicate a little bit of time looking for explicit queer representation from participating countries on Bandcamp to talk to others about. these decisions, even if they’re not coming from someone who is disengaging from eurovision entirely, are still acts of boycott
Regrettably Eurovision is Europe’s largest (unofficial) pride event. It’s a time you can dress up in all your most fabulous attire and queen out, with complete impunity. Allowing the Israelis to steal that from us would be an absolute tragedy. Of course if their vote manipulation actually wins it for them, that’s a different story.
Bad news fam, Israel has already stolen it years ago, even somewhat turned it into a propaganda for them.
It’s high time those racist, murderous scum are kicked out, or all that fabulous is moved somewhere else.
As it stands now, Eurovision is as hypocritical as it gets. They boycott Russia but bend over backwards for Israel. Palestinian flags have been banned for years now.
The Russian state broadcaster - not the country mind you - was suspended because it and Russia openly violate the EBU statutes, not because of the war. Press freedom in Russia took a nosedive after the beginning of the war.
Belarus was suspended in 2021 for the exact same reasons already mind you. There is also no specific Eurovision suspension, only a suspension from the EBU entirely.
The Israeli state broadcaster and Israel does, as far as I know, not violate these statutes. Or rather, any interpretation that would lead that state broadcaster to be suspended must suspend several others as well. As such, the EBU executive board has no grounds to suspend the Israeli state broadcaster with the current rules.
Even something like targeting journalists in a war zone would not be a violation I believe because the EBU statutes only refer to the country’s own territory. It’s just a war crime.
That’s why the Israeli suspension from Eurovision was put to a vote before the other members last year and not decided by the executive board, like with the Russian and Belarusian broadcasters.
There is no hypocrisy. A country committing genocide does not violate the EBU statutes because they do not concern themselves with anything but broadcasting. As soon as Israel starts being like Russia in that regard there are grounds for suspension.
Originally Russian broadcasters were only suspended from Eurovision that year because many other members refused to participate.
A month or so later, the suspension of Russian broadcasters from the EBU was announced for the reasons I named above.
But I think one important correction could be made to what I said: It is possible to suspend members from Eurovision for stability reasons. Israel would presumably not be able to be suspended from the EBU entirely like Russia and Belarus were - after all Turkey and Egypt are still members - but a suspension from Eurovision for the same reason as Russia is plausible if enough members refused to participate.
Ok, how does Israel being in the competition actually support their war crimes/genocide? Because as far as I can tell the ebu doesn’t actually give them money, and everyone already hates them. As far as I can see the only revenue they receive is from people voting in Israel. Israelis are going to be putting their money towards the genocide one way or another, because Bibi is obsessed with killing everyone and will just take it. So please enlighten my ignorant ass as to what actual benefit the IDF and Mossad actually get from Eurovision?
It normalises them. It supports the narrative that Israel is just like us, which makes the genocide easier to sell to western electorates. Plus, the morrocan oil exposure has an obvious monetary benefit for pissrael. Companies wouldn’t advertise if it meant a net loss.
Have I enlightened your ignorant ass enough, or do you need me to spell it out even more?
Better yet. Boycott the genocide supporting asshats completely.
I’ve been a diehard fan since 2009 but I stopped watching 2 years ago. It’s not been easy and I miss the show, but I can’t support this
boycotting cant do shit when it’s israel, everyone would have to stop paying their taxes, stop going to the majority of chain shops, stop buying any sort of electronics and start growing their own shit in your own backyard for it to actually work on israel
So don’t even try? You do you my man.
Do what you can, most can stop buying from major chains and buy electronics unrelated to Israel, switch to FOSS software and not watch Eurovision.
in most electronics there is something made by shitsrael, eastern european originated hitler himself said some shit like “the phone in your pocket is a piece of israel” or something
still. boycotts aren’t about all or nothing. they’re a long term strategy of learning to find alternatives, build up alternative ways of being to what’s presented, and redirecting power in small ways that make a difference when there’s mass engagement.
take for example. someone in this thread referred to eurovision as an unofficial pride event for people who don’t feel safe expressing that identity outside of this period. maybe this year that person goes and watches eurovision at a locally owned bar that’s playing it so fewer screens are tuned in. there maybe they just get to know some other people who are feeling a way about this. further, you can also dedicate a little bit of time looking for explicit queer representation from participating countries on Bandcamp to talk to others about. these decisions, even if they’re not coming from someone who is disengaging from eurovision entirely, are still acts of boycott
Regrettably Eurovision is Europe’s largest (unofficial) pride event. It’s a time you can dress up in all your most fabulous attire and queen out, with complete impunity. Allowing the Israelis to steal that from us would be an absolute tragedy. Of course if their vote manipulation actually wins it for them, that’s a different story.
Bad news fam, Israel has already stolen it years ago, even somewhat turned it into a propaganda for them.
It’s high time those racist, murderous scum are kicked out, or all that fabulous is moved somewhere else.
As it stands now, Eurovision is as hypocritical as it gets. They boycott Russia but bend over backwards for Israel. Palestinian flags have been banned for years now.
The Russian state broadcaster - not the country mind you - was suspended because it and Russia openly violate the EBU statutes, not because of the war. Press freedom in Russia took a nosedive after the beginning of the war.
Belarus was suspended in 2021 for the exact same reasons already mind you. There is also no specific Eurovision suspension, only a suspension from the EBU entirely.
The Israeli state broadcaster and Israel does, as far as I know, not violate these statutes. Or rather, any interpretation that would lead that state broadcaster to be suspended must suspend several others as well. As such, the EBU executive board has no grounds to suspend the Israeli state broadcaster with the current rules.
Even something like targeting journalists in a war zone would not be a violation I believe because the EBU statutes only refer to the country’s own territory. It’s just a war crime.
That’s why the Israeli suspension from Eurovision was put to a vote before the other members last year and not decided by the executive board, like with the Russian and Belarusian broadcasters.
There is no hypocrisy. A country committing genocide does not violate the EBU statutes because they do not concern themselves with anything but broadcasting. As soon as Israel starts being like Russia in that regard there are grounds for suspension.
That is not true, they retroactively changed the narrative why Russia was kicked off. Originally it was about the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfX4_NDNXY
I’ve looked at a couple of sources online.
Originally Russian broadcasters were only suspended from Eurovision that year because many other members refused to participate.
A month or so later, the suspension of Russian broadcasters from the EBU was announced for the reasons I named above.
But I think one important correction could be made to what I said: It is possible to suspend members from Eurovision for stability reasons. Israel would presumably not be able to be suspended from the EBU entirely like Russia and Belarus were - after all Turkey and Egypt are still members - but a suspension from Eurovision for the same reason as Russia is plausible if enough members refused to participate.
This is blatant pinkwashing. Supporting a genocide is supporting a genocide, and folks watching Eurovision should be deeply ashamed.
Ok, how does Israel being in the competition actually support their war crimes/genocide? Because as far as I can tell the ebu doesn’t actually give them money, and everyone already hates them. As far as I can see the only revenue they receive is from people voting in Israel. Israelis are going to be putting their money towards the genocide one way or another, because Bibi is obsessed with killing everyone and will just take it. So please enlighten my ignorant ass as to what actual benefit the IDF and Mossad actually get from Eurovision?
It normalises them. It supports the narrative that Israel is just like us, which makes the genocide easier to sell to western electorates. Plus, the morrocan oil exposure has an obvious monetary benefit for pissrael. Companies wouldn’t advertise if it meant a net loss.
Have I enlightened your ignorant ass enough, or do you need me to spell it out even more?