The idea that you should lift with your legs instead of your back is, to put it bluntly, fucking retarded. It is some made up corporate slop from the 90s where they didn’t want office workers to call in workers comp when their backs seized up trying to pick up a paperclip off the floor.
Deadlifting reasonable loads with good form and adequate recovery is one of the best things you can do for long term back health, because it makes your back stronger. If you work up to a 2x bodyweight deadlift (which is considered the standard in a broad number of sports to be considered reasonably athletic), and then just go into the gym once or twice a week and maintain that standard for the rest of your life, then the odds that you will tweak your back picking up a paperclip are quite small.
In lifting circles, the round back deadlift or deadlifting when there is spinal flexion or extension tends to get a lot of hate. But again, Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands rules - if you are lifting reasonable loads and allowing for adequate recovery between sets and training sessions, our expectation is that these “bad” lifts will actually make you stronger and more resiliant to injury in the future. If you want to be a world class strongman competitor, then you may very well tear up your back maxing out on the atlas stones. But if you train within your limits without ego, then you can include atlas stone lifts in your training for many years and reap the rewards of having a back that is strong and healthy not just in the straight-backed traditional deadlift position, but also in the more awkward curved position that the atlas stone demands.
And all this is clearly very reasonable, since your body evolved to handle real life, which does not confine itself to the laboratory-like conditions of deadlifting a barbell - let alone the corporate cartoon description of lifting paperclips put up in your office breakroom. For literally millions of years, humans have been lifting heavy rocks overhead to build shelters, scooping up writhing toddlers off the ground, and wrestling aligators onto land for a meal. The hip hinge is the most powerful movement in the human repertoire, and the idea that it is bad for you to do it is ridiculous.
Sure, we can sit here on the internet and critique her form in this way or that. But at the end of the day, she is lifting an awkward load a single time as a sort of circus trick, so it doesn’t matter. Good Lift!
I wouldn’t say you are wrong about the rounded back, but I would say that someone who hasn’t lifted atlas stones shouldn’t start with that. Learning the “correct” deadlift form to learn bracing and to strengthen their back/legs from years of not doing strict back workouts would be advantageous before going to town on a 50 kg stone. But yes, get to lifting now and feel less pain later!
One is that I definitely agree - getting strong in the conventional dead is definitely a logical starting point, and I would 100% recommend that path to someone new to lifting.
But I also want to generally push back against the idea of human frailty which seems to have become quite pervasive in our society. I think if someone is really inspired by strongman competitions, and if that is what is going to get them into exercising, then we shouldn’t discourage them… just reasonably caution them. After all, no one says you need to hit a certain deadlift number before you start, say, practicing jujitsu, where a lot of what you will be doing is bearhugging a heavy object and doing concentric and eccentric spinal extensions. Or if a friend says “hey, help me move this awkward cabinet”, I don’t think your response should be “sorry, my deads are only at 185, so I don’t want to lift awkward objects yet”.
I think being part of a good community or having a good instructor can help a lot here, helping the newbie differentiate between reasonable and fun try-hard, and try-hard that is likely to result in injury.
Note where I said “with adequate recovery”. Continuously performing the same heavy movement for 10 hours per day 5 or 6 or 7 days per week is probably going to tear you up in the long term no matter what.
You are getting downvoted by alts. Zeroconnection, feddedup and Ribbid are all the same person. He follows me and mass downvotes me so I figured I’d let you know since you are collateral.
The idea that you should lift with your legs instead of your back is, to put it bluntly, fucking retarded. It is some made up corporate slop from the 90s where they didn’t want office workers to call in workers comp when their backs seized up trying to pick up a paperclip off the floor.
Deadlifting reasonable loads with good form and adequate recovery is one of the best things you can do for long term back health, because it makes your back stronger. If you work up to a 2x bodyweight deadlift (which is considered the standard in a broad number of sports to be considered reasonably athletic), and then just go into the gym once or twice a week and maintain that standard for the rest of your life, then the odds that you will tweak your back picking up a paperclip are quite small.
In lifting circles, the round back deadlift or deadlifting when there is spinal flexion or extension tends to get a lot of hate. But again, Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands rules - if you are lifting reasonable loads and allowing for adequate recovery between sets and training sessions, our expectation is that these “bad” lifts will actually make you stronger and more resiliant to injury in the future. If you want to be a world class strongman competitor, then you may very well tear up your back maxing out on the atlas stones. But if you train within your limits without ego, then you can include atlas stone lifts in your training for many years and reap the rewards of having a back that is strong and healthy not just in the straight-backed traditional deadlift position, but also in the more awkward curved position that the atlas stone demands.
And all this is clearly very reasonable, since your body evolved to handle real life, which does not confine itself to the laboratory-like conditions of deadlifting a barbell - let alone the corporate cartoon description of lifting paperclips put up in your office breakroom. For literally millions of years, humans have been lifting heavy rocks overhead to build shelters, scooping up writhing toddlers off the ground, and wrestling aligators onto land for a meal. The hip hinge is the most powerful movement in the human repertoire, and the idea that it is bad for you to do it is ridiculous.
Sure, we can sit here on the internet and critique her form in this way or that. But at the end of the day, she is lifting an awkward load a single time as a sort of circus trick, so it doesn’t matter. Good Lift!
I wouldn’t say you are wrong about the rounded back, but I would say that someone who hasn’t lifted atlas stones shouldn’t start with that. Learning the “correct” deadlift form to learn bracing and to strengthen their back/legs from years of not doing strict back workouts would be advantageous before going to town on a 50 kg stone. But yes, get to lifting now and feel less pain later!
I have two thoughts here.
One is that I definitely agree - getting strong in the conventional dead is definitely a logical starting point, and I would 100% recommend that path to someone new to lifting.
But I also want to generally push back against the idea of human frailty which seems to have become quite pervasive in our society. I think if someone is really inspired by strongman competitions, and if that is what is going to get them into exercising, then we shouldn’t discourage them… just reasonably caution them. After all, no one says you need to hit a certain deadlift number before you start, say, practicing jujitsu, where a lot of what you will be doing is bearhugging a heavy object and doing concentric and eccentric spinal extensions. Or if a friend says “hey, help me move this awkward cabinet”, I don’t think your response should be “sorry, my deads are only at 185, so I don’t want to lift awkward objects yet”.
I think being part of a good community or having a good instructor can help a lot here, helping the newbie differentiate between reasonable and fun try-hard, and try-hard that is likely to result in injury.
Go work slinging boxes for 10 hours a day in a warehouse job and lift with your back, then let us all know how that works out for you.
Note where I said “with adequate recovery”. Continuously performing the same heavy movement for 10 hours per day 5 or 6 or 7 days per week is probably going to tear you up in the long term no matter what.
You are getting downvoted by alts. Zeroconnection, feddedup and Ribbid are all the same person. He follows me and mass downvotes me so I figured I’d let you know since you are collateral.
Thanks for the info - what a tool!
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You upvote your own deleted comments? You deleted it though and you upvoted it after having deleted it? Unhinged.
I lift with my arms personally.
Personally I lift with my voice and patheticness
BROTIP!!
I’m down voting you because of the slur
im not downvoting you because I don’t care