Pistols in general are not the best choice for home defense. Even 9mm dances through sheetrock and siding and stays dangerous. A shotgun with an 18.5" barrel and buckshot is as good as it gets. Very effective against humans, that’s why they’re a war crime, and damage to walls is typically pretty minimal.
Now if you’re in woods with dangerous critters then a 1911 in .45 ACP or 10mm is the way to go IMHO.
Deagles are a bit over the top, but it sure is fun trying to keep ahold of it when it goes off.
I suppose I could be wrong on that, though I was sure I had read that at some point. Something to do with trench warfare, but whatev’s. Still the best choice if you got baddies in your bungalow.
It was only the German position against the American trench gun in WW1, but never wide agreement:
On September 15, 1918, the German government officially protested the use of the shotgun in a note verbale—an unsigned diplomatic note—transmitted to the Spanish Embassy in Berlin, then to the Swiss Embassy, and eventually to the American legation in Berne, Switzerland. The note asserted that the use of shotguns by U.S. forces violated Article 23(e) of the 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions and warned that any American captured with a shotgun or shotgun ammunition would be executed.
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In his formal response to Germany’s protest, Secretary of State Lansing maintained that the shotgun the army used could not be the subject of “legitimate or reasonable protest” under the Hague Conventions.
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In the 100 years since the protest, the U.S. government’s position with respect to the use of shotguns in wartime has never wavered. U.S. military forces used shotguns in World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and even in post-invasion Iraq (to clear out suspected insurgent hideouts in house-to-house fighting).
I don’t disagree. However, definitely not a war crime.
Source: was infantry.
Tangentially, I disagree with your .45 or 10mm as well. Ballistics have come a long way and unless you need to defend from bears, the 9mm is wonderful, lighter, cheaper, and has a higher carry capacity.
Feral hogs will take multiple 9mm bullets and still fuck you up, and bears as you mentioned definitely call for large caliber rounds. Big cats, nah fam, I want stopping power. Ballistics don’t mean shit at defensive range. 9mm is fine for stopping the human animal, that’s what it was designed for, but it’s not enough when nature comes to say hello.
That’s fair. I don’t live in hog territory, forgot those fuckers exist. I also wouldn’t take a 9 into hog territory.
Edit: just for the conversation, unless I was hunting, thinking about this, I think I would take my 9 into hog territory. I would rather be able to carry more, on a platform I’m more accurate with, with a firearm that can poke more holes than the other. I wouldn’t bring defense ammo, I would have solid core/+P ammo, but, for every reason 9mm is more effective against the human animal is exactly why I’d want it in defense against the wild animals. Sans, a bear, and maybe a large cat, but that’s an interesting thought experiment, cause I’m not sure any firearm is going to be all that helpful against a cat, unless I manage to startle the cat before the cat is hunting me.
If I was hunting, ethically, I never would bring a 9, that’s fucked.
Pistols in general are not the best choice for home defense. Even 9mm dances through sheetrock and siding and stays dangerous. A shotgun with an 18.5" barrel and buckshot is as good as it gets. Very effective against humans, that’s why they’re a war crime, and damage to walls is typically pretty minimal.
Now if you’re in woods with dangerous critters then a 1911 in .45 ACP or 10mm is the way to go IMHO.
Deagles are a bit over the top, but it sure is fun trying to keep ahold of it when it goes off.
Using a shotgun with buckshot isn’t a war crime…?
I suppose I could be wrong on that, though I was sure I had read that at some point. Something to do with trench warfare, but whatev’s. Still the best choice if you got baddies in your bungalow.
It was only the German position against the American trench gun in WW1, but never wide agreement:
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Right on. Thank you for straightening me out on that.
I don’t disagree. However, definitely not a war crime.
Source: was infantry.
Tangentially, I disagree with your .45 or 10mm as well. Ballistics have come a long way and unless you need to defend from bears, the 9mm is wonderful, lighter, cheaper, and has a higher carry capacity.
Feral hogs will take multiple 9mm bullets and still fuck you up, and bears as you mentioned definitely call for large caliber rounds. Big cats, nah fam, I want stopping power. Ballistics don’t mean shit at defensive range. 9mm is fine for stopping the human animal, that’s what it was designed for, but it’s not enough when nature comes to say hello.
That’s fair. I don’t live in hog territory, forgot those fuckers exist. I also wouldn’t take a 9 into hog territory.
Edit: just for the conversation, unless I was hunting, thinking about this, I think I would take my 9 into hog territory. I would rather be able to carry more, on a platform I’m more accurate with, with a firearm that can poke more holes than the other. I wouldn’t bring defense ammo, I would have solid core/+P ammo, but, for every reason 9mm is more effective against the human animal is exactly why I’d want it in defense against the wild animals. Sans, a bear, and maybe a large cat, but that’s an interesting thought experiment, cause I’m not sure any firearm is going to be all that helpful against a cat, unless I manage to startle the cat before the cat is hunting me.
If I was hunting, ethically, I never would bring a 9, that’s fucked.