So the whole “force ghost” thing requires much time spent meditating in the force. Yoda communed with force Qui Gon to learn it and gave instructions for Obiwan on how to train for it during his exile on Tatooine.
Having completed this meditation training, Qui Gon would have been at peace with dying. Similar to how Obiwan seemed to allow Vader to strike him down during their final duel; only to return through the force to Luke.
Perhaps part of the reason that this technique is not more wide spread is because it inherently weakens ones determination to survive.
The Sith cannot transcend death in this way. They must pour their power into clinging on to life.
I’m pretty sure Anakin showing up as a force ghost kind of disproves the fact that the sith need to do that because that awesome motherfucker only repented for like 30 seconds before he died.
it inherently weakens one’s determination to survive
This is a good point. Aren’t Jedis quite selfless though? I would think that they would already not prioritize their own survival over other principles.
When you work on dissolving the self, one big benefit is you stop freaking out so much about death. You recognize that even though you’re locked into this very narrow subjective experience, it’s still one cell in a much larger process which will endure after your death. It becomes much less “the end of everything.”
I would guess that Jedis are totally there and wouldn’t change any of their choices based on whether their little subjective consciousness will cling to existence or not.
That’s where the controversy comes into play. Cuz the whole force ghost mechanics were written after similar to midicloreans…
There’s basically a few explainations.
It’s part of his redemption
His midicloreans… / natural affinity with the force
His connection with obiwan, quigon, yoda who all helped him trancend.
Makes for a good ending. (The original reason probs)
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In an alternate timeline where Lucas finished all 9 movies I could see him re-releasing the movies with some choice edits. Similar to this but a little less tongue in cheek.
George always wanted it to happen, but if I recall correctly you are right, it wasn’t even called A New Hope or had the title crawl until It was re-released shortly before Empire.
I don’t doubt he had a bigger story. The conflict between the two mentalities is what led to humorous bits like the Luke & Leia kiss before the knew they were related.
As I understand it George was the ideas man, part of the reason the prequels went off the rails a bit is because he removed himself from people who had helped the original trilogy be what it is, people like Lawrence Kasden. I’ve always been curious which one of them had them kiss and which one of them decided they were siblings as much of Empire was written by Kasden.
Dunno whose idea it was. They were teasing a love triangle originally and didn’t decide to make them siblings until ROTJ when George realized he needed to condense things.
It’s a pretty widely discussed plot hole. But like plot holes are what you get when you start writing a story that you never expected to finish and then after you finish it decide that was the middle of the story.
So the whole “force ghost” thing requires much time spent meditating in the force. Yoda communed with force Qui Gon to learn it and gave instructions for Obiwan on how to train for it during his exile on Tatooine.
Having completed this meditation training, Qui Gon would have been at peace with dying. Similar to how Obiwan seemed to allow Vader to strike him down during their final duel; only to return through the force to Luke.
Perhaps part of the reason that this technique is not more wide spread is because it inherently weakens ones determination to survive.
The Sith cannot transcend death in this way. They must pour their power into clinging on to life.
I’m pretty sure Anakin showing up as a force ghost kind of disproves the fact that the sith need to do that because that awesome motherfucker only repented for like 30 seconds before he died.
Yeah but Anakin was literally Jesus.
Fully agree. That’s why it’s controversial.
This is a good point. Aren’t Jedis quite selfless though? I would think that they would already not prioritize their own survival over other principles.
When you work on dissolving the self, one big benefit is you stop freaking out so much about death. You recognize that even though you’re locked into this very narrow subjective experience, it’s still one cell in a much larger process which will endure after your death. It becomes much less “the end of everything.”
I would guess that Jedis are totally there and wouldn’t change any of their choices based on whether their little subjective consciousness will cling to existence or not.
I think the Sith are one of the few things that present a threat larger than the average Jedi master can navigate.
Then what’s the story with Vader doing it in RotJ?
He stopped being a Sith and then mastered the technique really fast by being a chosen one. It’s like that one scene in Kung Fu Panda 2
That’s where the controversy comes into play. Cuz the whole force ghost mechanics were written after similar to midicloreans…
There’s basically a few explainations.
It’s part of his redemption
His midicloreans… / natural affinity with the force
His connection with obiwan, quigon, yoda who all helped him trancend.
Makes for a good ending. (The original reason probs)
…
In an alternate timeline where Lucas finished all 9 movies I could see him re-releasing the movies with some choice edits. Similar to this but a little less tongue in cheek.
Fun fact: it was intended to be a 12 part series, like the Flash Gordon or Buck Rodgers serials of the 1930s.
But critically NOT during the first movie. During ANH nobody expected there to be a sequel.
George always wanted it to happen, but if I recall correctly you are right, it wasn’t even called A New Hope or had the title crawl until It was re-released shortly before Empire.
I don’t doubt he had a bigger story. The conflict between the two mentalities is what led to humorous bits like the Luke & Leia kiss before the knew they were related.
As I understand it George was the ideas man, part of the reason the prequels went off the rails a bit is because he removed himself from people who had helped the original trilogy be what it is, people like Lawrence Kasden. I’ve always been curious which one of them had them kiss and which one of them decided they were siblings as much of Empire was written by Kasden.
Dunno whose idea it was. They were teasing a love triangle originally and didn’t decide to make them siblings until ROTJ when George realized he needed to condense things.
I’m willing to accept all of the above.
Why you gotta poke a hole in this guy’s awesome theory? So mean.
But yeah…
It’s a pretty widely discussed plot hole. But like plot holes are what you get when you start writing a story that you never expected to finish and then after you finish it decide that was the middle of the story.
Maybe there’s an explanation though. Like, Vader is just super powerful and figured it out while in his meditation sphere?
Idunno… I’ve seen a lot of sith force ghosts…
Albeit they always seem a bit more haunty and tortured than the Jedi.
legit. I wonder if there is a difference.
Aren’t the sith ghosts more tied to locations?