Thanks for the link! Relevant to note, one of the comments there linked this thread, where Nutomic (note for the onlookers: Nutomic is the Lemmy backend developer) criticises what Yogthos did. I’ll quote it here:
Responsible disclosure is still important because it takes the developer time to develop, validate and release a securit fix. Keep in mind that open source projects like Piefed, Lemmy and others are developed by volunteers in their free time. So it is irresponsible to publish security problems without any private warning. For all the infighting that is happening, we need to remember that our enemy is Reddit, and not anyone on the Fediverse.
And even then. I disagree with what Yogthos did, but what he said holds some merit (if a large model can find it, an attacker can do it too, so devs need to be proactive).
What I’m really disliking to see, though, in all this PieFed vs. Lemmy talk, is not even dev behaviour. From either side. It’s user behaviour; the “popcorn crowd”, throwing petrol into random fires, and burning the house down because it wants to see pretty flames go brrrrr. I’ve seen this in plenty other situations, but the threads both of us linked shows it really well.
Every one [platform] is incomplete to varying degrees
And as typical for software, none will be ever complete! Or should be.
And on a related note, Rimu is stepping backwards a bit from directly contributing so much to PieFed, as it is leading to burnt-out
That might explain why some of his recent takes have been a bit… over-simplistic, to say the least. Odds are he isn’t informed on the drama going on, and it’s easy to jump to conclusions.
I appreciate what Nutomic said yes, it has appropriate nuance and complexity to match the situation - i.e. reporting bugs is both a good thing yet disclosure should have been made in a responsible manner so content of the message is good but the process was bad there.
Regarding adversity, I think many tankies love fighting and are quite aggressive (the phrase “spoiling for a fight” seems to often match), and Rimu is also quite aggressive in his own way though more in the “within the walls of my own house” kinda way. Rimu tried to help in the ongoing feud with Lemmy.world by providing context to the accusations that Luminous had called for the literal murder of MrKaplan (by showing a screenshot of Luminous’ profile calling for the murder of all Zionists juxtaposed with a moderation event from Luminous that specifically labeled MrKaplan as a “zionist”, at which point the truth of the latter no longer matters since the two of them combined equates to a call for MrKaplan’s murder, from the admin of an instance no less! Although who voluntarily stepped down, at which point the defederation of anarchist.nexus was immediately un-done.), and ever since then the tankie crowd has been more up in arms against any instance that uses the PieFed software.
Which I find odd - software isn’t the same as people, and software can be tuned to whatever purposes the admin in charge wants to set it too? I see a ton of campism going around lately, which obviously the tankies accuse Rimu of in reverse, since for some people maybe every accusation is a confession?
Witch hunting, as you said earlier. Irrationality, possibly fueled by emotional considerations. Tensions are high in the world right now, and what do Lemmings even talk about if not politics? :-P I would indeed hope that we could focus on making the software better, both Lemmy and PieFed, but the shit stirrers have other plans for their own emotional satisfaction. I used to defend the Lemmy devs, e.g. whenever I saw people asking for features I would point out the various reasons that Lemmy development was slow and that we need to all wait patiently. Now I defend PieFed development in like manner. FOSS is worthwhile, our common goal, and likewise we share a common platform too. Or at least we have so far, until the shit-stirrers defederate from all PieFed instances (which makes little sense to me - for one, quokk.au is both part of the Anarchist Flotilla as well as a PieFed instance, though maybe an exception will be made for it? and two, how do you defederate from “software”?) along with Lemmy.World for “zionist behaviors”.
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Thanks for the link! Relevant to note, one of the comments there linked this thread, where Nutomic (note for the onlookers: Nutomic is the Lemmy backend developer) criticises what Yogthos did. I’ll quote it here:
And even then. I disagree with what Yogthos did, but what he said holds some merit (if a large model can find it, an attacker can do it too, so devs need to be proactive).
What I’m really disliking to see, though, in all this PieFed vs. Lemmy talk, is not even dev behaviour. From either side. It’s user behaviour; the “popcorn crowd”, throwing petrol into random fires, and burning the house down because it wants to see pretty flames go brrrrr. I’ve seen this in plenty other situations, but the threads both of us linked shows it really well.
And as typical for software, none will be ever complete! Or should be.
That might explain why some of his recent takes have been a bit… over-simplistic, to say the least. Odds are he isn’t informed on the drama going on, and it’s easy to jump to conclusions.
I appreciate what Nutomic said yes, it has appropriate nuance and complexity to match the situation - i.e. reporting bugs is both a good thing yet disclosure should have been made in a responsible manner so content of the message is good but the process was bad there.
Regarding adversity, I think many tankies love fighting and are quite aggressive (the phrase “spoiling for a fight” seems to often match), and Rimu is also quite aggressive in his own way though more in the “within the walls of my own house” kinda way. Rimu tried to help in the ongoing feud with Lemmy.world by providing context to the accusations that Luminous had called for the literal murder of MrKaplan (by showing a screenshot of Luminous’ profile calling for the murder of all Zionists juxtaposed with a moderation event from Luminous that specifically labeled MrKaplan as a “zionist”, at which point the truth of the latter no longer matters since the two of them combined equates to a call for MrKaplan’s murder, from the admin of an instance no less! Although who voluntarily stepped down, at which point the defederation of anarchist.nexus was immediately un-done.), and ever since then the tankie crowd has been more up in arms against any instance that uses the PieFed software.
Which I find odd - software isn’t the same as people, and software can be tuned to whatever purposes the admin in charge wants to set it too? I see a ton of campism going around lately, which obviously the tankies accuse Rimu of in reverse, since for some people maybe every accusation is a confession?
Witch hunting, as you said earlier. Irrationality, possibly fueled by emotional considerations. Tensions are high in the world right now, and what do Lemmings even talk about if not politics? :-P I would indeed hope that we could focus on making the software better, both Lemmy and PieFed, but the shit stirrers have other plans for their own emotional satisfaction. I used to defend the Lemmy devs, e.g. whenever I saw people asking for features I would point out the various reasons that Lemmy development was slow and that we need to all wait patiently. Now I defend PieFed development in like manner. FOSS is worthwhile, our common goal, and likewise we share a common platform too. Or at least we have so far, until the shit-stirrers defederate from all PieFed instances (which makes little sense to me - for one, quokk.au is both part of the Anarchist Flotilla as well as a PieFed instance, though maybe an exception will be made for it? and two, how do you defederate from “software”?) along with Lemmy.World for “zionist behaviors”.