As related by famed biologist and renowned chemist Woody Harrelson PhD, millionaire esq.
NEVER Trust the rich when they tell you that your decisions are causing the problems.
The real problem is that the rich only give the poor so many options to choose from. Then they tell the poor to blame other poors for choosing wrong.
NEVER TRUST CELEBRITIES OR THEIR PROPAGANDA
The real problem is that the rich only give the poor so many options to choose from.
So the rich do not give you the option to reduce the animal products in your diet? IMHO there are many good reasons to blame rich people, big oil etc., but that doesn’t mean that everyone individually is released from any kind of responsibility. Vegan diets are available, affordable and healthy. If you’re unwilling to question your habits and adapt your lifestyle for the better, that’s your choice. Don’t put the blame on others.
I’ve become a bit of a flexitarian now. Don’t cook chicken beef or pork at home now. If I cook anything it’s fish. Whenever we go out if there’s something meat on the menu that sounds great I’ll get it but eating vegetarian hasn’t been that hard at all. Hemp seed yogurt eggs tofu nutritional yeast. Pretty easy. Hope I see some health pay offs.
Even just switching from beef to chicken has s 4x reduction in CO2 costs and had less fat and calories.
heyy congrats on your journey !! if you decide to push through i hope it continues to go well ! 💪
Not even close. Dealing with the excess personal ambitions of the wealthy would do far more.
Can you do that?
Nobody can. We’re fucked.
So why are you even bringing it up then
Back in the 90s I calculated that the US could save the Amazon rainforest by cutting our meat consumption by 10% and legalizing hemp (not marijuana). I no longer have the math available but the gist of it was that a 10% decrease in beef cattle feed would cause a corresponding drop in demand for feed corn, and if that much cornfield land were converted to hemp (which would work agriculturally) and the hemp were used to make paper, demand to import pulp logs from SA would decrease enough to demotivate logging the rainforest - where most logs at the time were being harvested for pulp. As a side benefit, the paper would last a lot longer but wouldn’t be more expensive.
Took me a lot of time and effort to do the research for that. Dunno if it’s still valid in today’s economy.
Multimillionaire tells you to not eat meat to reduce climate change
I MUST COMPLY RAAAAHH
Working from home is probably the next best thing.
Also, changes in diet does not necessarily mean changing what you eat. A huge amount on gains are to be had, just changing where where your food comes from. Local small producers are the gold standard. Combine that with growing some of your own vegtibles.
Guys, can we focus on Rampart, please?
I think he’s right. We should all change to a 100% Billionaire diet…
says the guy with never a worry about food. the real number one way? ensuring there are no billionaires.
Can you do that?
Has Woody Harrelson even gone vegan? Last I saw, he was promoting the astroturfed pseudo-regenerative cattle ranching stuff.
Anyway I can already hear the impending, “no ethical consumption under capitalism” nihilists on their way. To those who denigrate any lifestyle modifications as ways to try to make the world better: if individual change didn’t matter, there wouldn’t be a market for plant-based foods at all, and nor would there be Linux. If all you ever focus on is the bad stuff you wish would go away, then yeah all seems lost. But that’s not the big picture. Good is created, and good grows. But for that to keep happening, it needs to be chosen and promoted.
Maybe try going on a bike ride while you’re at it.
-1 for not RTFA. Second sentence: “The actor and longtime vegan…”
Didn’t read the article til now, damn you caught me!
Still skeptical.
Sure, but what if we could fight billionaires in a ring?
Those are not mutually exclusive
Nice! Let’s do both!
The !climate@slrpnk.net mods disliked that as they were never ever serious about tackling climate change 🤪
“Mods?” Looks like one guy. Shameful, @silence7@slrpnk.net
Norm Macdonald voice
As compared to the number two way:
AFAIK a low-emission diet is actually number two - transportation is still the number one individual source of climate related emissions.
That’s also the one that skews the most toward richer people - rich people take the most flights, cruises and yachts which are the worst ways to travel for the environment.
In the US, its transport, because people drive cars and sit in traffic so much.
The rest of the world its 2nd or 3rd behind power generation and food.
You can EASILY reduce your animal exploitation to zero no matter your economic situation. You still have to move your body and goods around no matter how you change your lifestyle.
We can consider believing that only if we assume everyone is privileged enough to have constant access to vegan food. Which is a ridiculous assumption. Being vegan is great and I’m glad people choose to, but you must have a warped view of how others live if you think it’s not just possible, but “EASY” to have that diet. Billions of people cannot even afford the luxury of food that isn’t the cheapest and most processed food money can buy.
And this is not even addressing your “zero” assertion. Unless you carefully grow and harvest your own crops, all your meals ended up killing and hurting small animals that were attempting to live in a field where your meal was grown.
I hate this argument. I was vegan when I was living off $10 a week. I was vegan when I was in the homless center.
I cried my first night in that shelter. They provided dinner, it was cheap box mac n cheese, some meat I forget and broccoli, I started crying, a hormonal nursing mother, the cook noticed. He let me swap the meat and cheese for extra broccoli and there was always apples and oranges in a bowl for folks. Fridays, they let us bring in our own food and use the kitchen, once they set me up with food stamps, it was game on fridays for me.
I was vegan for my poorest years. Before being at the shelter, in them $10 a week days… Not proud of it, but I stole zuchini from a farm stand once. took three of them, I was truly starving. One day later, I saw random cans of tomatoes on the sidewalk in front of a church, took those too. made a nice meal I hadnt had in a while.
I ate can veg and beans as meals. I ate plain ass noodles with salt, I ate weird veg mashes I got from the foodbank and just threw it all in a pan with some rice.
Desperation teaches you many things.
No I couldnt afford vegan products, vegan meat or cheeses, but anything marked vegan is going to have a jacked price. The entire produce section, and a lot of the tinned section, the whole pasta section, is all vegan without having the little V printed on it.
Learning to cook is the way.
In fact I stumbled on veganism because I legit wanted cake, but had no milk, eggs or butter. Was too broke to buy them. I found a recipie for “Depression Cake” and that was my first vegan meal I ever made myself intentionally. I got into vegan baking, because it was cheaper. Then I just gave up all meat, and eventually cheese, because it was cheaper. Thats why I started, to save money. Then I started reading about factory farming practices. Dont watch Earthlings while nursing a newborn. Dont recommend, but that film changed my life. I was already plant bases (I always consumed local honey seasonally tbh) but Earthings solidified everything.
there any cookbooks/similar you’d reccomend?
I learned from my gaurdian growing up first, and then watching tons of early '00 Food Network. The only cookbook I have is Julia Childs, which Im not sure Id start with that. And if you are a noob, I absolutely recomend videos over books or written recipies. There are thousands apon thousands of cookbooks. Some folks Ive seen recomment Salt Fat Acid Heat often, like often often, ive never read it, but could be a start.
This series is good (maybe) for someone starting out. Jacques Pépin Cooking At Home YT
I also like the Post Punk Kitchen for vegan stuff: https://www.theppk.com/recipes/
I have found this website helpful for more vegan meal ideas as they are just tradional recipies that happen to be vegan: https://bakinghermann.com/ The Assasins speghetti is very easy and fun to make
Since im just shamlessly plugging, I speak very minimal Spanish, but I have learned a lot recently from this creator, that is when Im not drooling over her kitchen set up(shes not vegan just fyi lol) La Herencia de las Viudas Youtube
The question I should ask is, what kind of foods do you want to learn to prepare? How much do you already know? What ingredients do you have easy access to, and what your kitchen is equiped for? Do you want to bake a dessert or make a main meal?
There are so many places one can start.
I dont recommend a book, I recommend a 10" cast iron, a wooden spoon, and an internet connection, I jest in part, you’ll need a least one pot too ;)
Literally anyone wants help learning, I can do my best. If you can tell me what youd like to make, I can help. If one was in my kitchen asking, I’d absolutely start with some simple pasta dish. Fresh tomato sauce was the first thing I learned, but tastes and regions are vast.
Edit: and you can make fresh sauce with tinned tomatoes. They dont have to be fresh tomatoes truly. Budget is also a massive factor, there are so many different ways to go about cooking within your budget.
You may hate the argument, and I get that too, but many people just don’t have your level of knowledge. Many men I know for example, literally wouldn’t even know how to operate a stovetop. I’m not even trying to make the point that it’s the most common situation to not have a possible way to being vegan, I’m just trying to make the point that it is ludicrous to suggest that everyone can “EASILY” go fully vegan today. That makes so many assumptions that don’t fit the lives of many people.
Everyone can learn to read.
Everyone can learn to cook. Some need guidance. I try to help folks where I am able in this, in my daily life. Help your homies learn to cook.
We get no where on our own.
Everyone can learn to read.
See, this is exactly my point. No, they absolutely cannot. Over half of adults in America are functionally illiterate. I’m close to someone who teaches middle schoolers to read who struggle, usually with a combination of horrible educational background, low income situations, intellectual disability, or hardship caused by having to flee their country of origin, for their own safety.
Even if we had universally offered free classes to teach reading and cooking (we don’t, not even close), there still would be many people who wouldn’t even be able to take advantage of them, for various reasons.
What I’m really arguing here is against the absolutist attitude. It’s just not helpful and it sets you up mentally to be even more disappointed in people than you’d be without the attitude…
Edit: the fact that this comment is getting downvotes tells you all you need to know about why people have to choose veganism in spite of your horrible messaging about it, and never because of it.
yes they can, with help.
with help
What the fuck is it, to each ones ability and each ones need or some shit.
Help. You, person here, should help.
I dislike absolutist attitudes too. Its just, just help.
edit, my neighbors mow thier grass to dirt. Shoulda seen this fuck yesterday across my street creating a dust storm just so he could sit on a tractor with a beer. This doesnt mean I do the same. Do you, in whatever ways you can, to be a helper. I literally sat 8 feet from a bunny hiding in the shaded tall clover while I swear this bun was watching this fool with me.
I can tell you are coming across some of these ideas for the first time, and you are having the exact same knee-jerk reactions that everyone does. You just filled at LEAST three separate tiles on a vegan bingo card.
You’re going to pull the “I’m too poor to not murder” shit with me? I live on 14k CAD a year. If I can do it, you can fucking do it. In reality, plant food is the cheapest food you can get.
Ohhhhhh, suddenly, despite having the flesh of vulnerable individuals still stuck in your teeth, you care SOOO MUCH about the poor mousies and butterflies. But that’s not what I said, is it? Those animals are not being exploited.
Of course I want to minimize the absolute harm I do, but that is a different subject. If you stopped and actually thought about it for a second, you would realize that the way to do that is to eat plants, because if you eat meat, an order of magnitude more plants have to be grown to feed those animals, and so you end up mulching up more mousies. So it’s an ignorant argument. You’ve literally never had a serious thought about these subjects in your life.
Spare me your thought-terminating cliches. If you are not emotionally prepared to process these ideas, go cope somewhere else.
What an unrelatable privilege-assed human. People live in food deserts all over America, as only one example. You can pretend they don’t all you want, but all you’ll do is give people the impression that vegans are out of touch assholes. For the record, and to reiterate, I support veganism. Just not people like you who lie and dodge truth because you need to feel superior. You’re absolutely working against what you claim to advocate for.
PS; username checks all the way out.
Yeah cause rice, beans and produce are the single most expensive foods in existence. I take out a mortgage every time I get hungry. 😂🙄
You may not be able to grasp the concept that many people live a long drive/walk from even a friggin grocery store but it’s still their reality which you’ve chosen to refuse an ounce of understanding toward.
Food deserts existing is completely irrelevant to your price point argument. You’re just jumping around to different cliches.
Are you truly trying to tell me that it’s cheaper to eat fast food on the daily as opposed to getting shelf stable rice/beans available in bulk? My wife and I eat for a week cheaper than a one of us getting a meat based meal from any restaurant.
Food deserts existing is completely irrelevant to your price point argument
It’s 100% exactly one of the situations I was referring to.
This is just pointless talking to you here. You’ve clearly made up your mind that not only is every non-vegan actively not choosing veganism, they do so even though their lives would be easier if they did.
Okay. Explain how.
I’m also still waiting to hear how veganism is more expensive?
Or are we done here? Because it seems like you would rather stamp your feet, insist your right and call names instead of supporting your argument.
I also notice how you’ve totally dropped the transportation angle once it failed to serve as a distraction from the thoughts and feelings that you are unwilling to process.
You are having trouble with this because you are trying to avoid confronting your own needless cruelty and violence. Until you own up to that, you are going to continuously seek out new distractions and excuses, never seriously engaging with the core issues.
you’ve totally dropped the transportation angle
No I didn’t drop anything. You’ve lost the thread.
you are trying to avoid confronting your own needless cruelty and violence
This is the kind of sanctimonious shit that guarantees many people who could choose veganism, never will. I noticed your addressed absolutely zero of the valid points I made. Kinda admitting I’m right to bring them up.
In my country they are both 22% but either way, reducing your car trips doesn’t give you the right to kill innocent animals.
What about the guilty ones?
“It’s coming right at us!”
im sure the number1 way is to stop oil production,
Can you do that?
Oh, that is in your power? Then do it. We’d all love it if you went ahead and stopped all oil production. We’re waiting.
But in the mean time, stop torturing vulnerable individuals.
its more about the rich blaming the poors. rather than the rich taking responsibilities
You don’t control the rich. You control you. You are doing horrific things. You should probably stop, regardless of what rich people do.
Until you take responsibility for what you have done, you will constantly look for ways to excuse yourself rather than trying to actually improve.
