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      I was thinking “it cant be that bad”

      An article on tokyo apartment sizes and layouts

      Relevant part:

      Tokyo’s micro-apartments are famous worldwide. Some studios are under 20 m² (215 sq ft) – indeed, over 1.4 million households in Tokyo live in homes smaller than 19.7 m² (212 sq ft)! These tiny units often feature a single multi-purpose room, a unit bath (compact modular bathroom), and a small kitchen. In extreme cases, a few tens of thousands of Tokyo residents live in spaces around 10 m² (≈107 sq ft) – essentially a single room without much extra space, measuring about 95 sq ft of usable area. Due to the high population density and limited space in large cities like Tokyo, these compact living solutions have become common, especially for many young people and single professionals.

      In any case, <20 m² is the lower end of the distribution. The lower end in my country has to build favella like living places.

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      I mean, growing up in a trailer at one point, it was bigger than your average NY apartment. Certainly more land. We goats and a whole wooded area.

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        I was curious so I tried to find average sizes in NYC. The Internet is full of slop and I hate it. anyway, I found

        Average apartment sizes in NYC in 2026:

        Studio: 400–550 sq ft (37–51 m²)
        1-bedroom: 600–800 sq ft (56–74 m²)
        2-bedroom: 850–1,100 sq ft (79–102 m²)
        3-bedroom: 1,100–1,500 sq ft (102–139 m²)
        

        But at least in the city you get a walkable living place with mass transit. Very few goats, however.

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      average Japanese household

      Only average because of the heavy population density in the top 5 cities. Most places (by area) in Japan are cheap and spacious. You can have a 2 bed for less than a grand in mid-sized towns.

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        Aren’t those houses usually old and made of very cheap stuff like thin wood and sum? Idk if i’d like to live in a house that isn’t made of bricks…

        I don’t know japan very well so i may be wrong tho

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      We do, but most of them have something within cycling distance that isn’t on an 70+ kph road with maniacs (and the closer to civilization, they have public transit).

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          That’s actually rather difficult to give one answer to, even if narrowed to one country/culture as the target audience.

          For North America: central heat/air is not a thing here outside of commercial applications. A handful of private individuals do it, but it ends up costing a ton both directly (the unit/maintenance) and indirectly (more materials, ductwork, insulation, etc. that are less common and more expensive here). We just had building laws revised this year to require slightly higher building codes for energy efficiency and insulation, but it’s still well below the standard of other places. It’s somewhat a cost issue (Japanese houses depreciate to nothing after 20 years in most cases and land value only goes up in a handful of areas, so there’s additional pressure not to care a ton), and also a reaction to “sick home syndrome” that came from bad plastics/materials offgassing things like formaldehyde in the '80s in more tightly-closed homes. Here, homes that breathe well are still considered better.

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            It still boggles my mind people in Japan buy new when it comes to housing. I guess if they are all cheaply built that makes sense.

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      It’s mostly crappy areas. Outside the urban centers, they refuse to invest in infrastructure. So everyone flees to the city center, which produces slums, and then everything except the high income areas kinda suck.

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        We have a lot of good infrastructure in my village and I’m pretty rural (depending upon how big ‘urban center’ is in your definition, I’m between 20 and 45 minutes away by train).

        A lot of the countryside that is depopulating is quite ugly, but there is no money to invest in that infrastructure when almost the whole population is pensioners. It’s a chicken-and-egg problem to be sure. I think the government needs to do more to get people out of the megalopolises. My area has campaigns that use our tax money to pay people to move here as well as subsidizing preschool and kindergarten.

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          there is no money to invest in that infrastructure when almost the whole population is pensioners

          The national government has plenty of money. And investing in these communities would generate permanent employment, such that more young people would live there.

          But the politics of the county resists this kind of investment, because it isn’t immediately profitable.