Yes. Trees, like all plants, exist primarily to make human life easier and in that goal are required to die and their corpse be used for a variety of needs; some quite ephemeral, some quite permanent.
Without wood access, assuming you are correctly against plastics, you’re essentially advocating for a world where poor people don’t get furniture, barbecue is tasteless, and wildfires are common place.
Edit: I genuinely didn’t expect liberals to take issue with this. It’s wild how right-wing beliefs like humans being smol inconsequential beans have spread in that community.
I’m looking at this as if Humans have made the world for humans. Which we have. That’s the opposite of creationism, and the opposite of whatever pseduoreligious spiritualist nonsense people like you push.
We are not innocent equals in this world. We are responsible for the death of at least 75% of species since the 1800s. We have the exclusive power to control all other species. They exist at our whim, and it is our sole responsibility to continue making them exist. Which we have taken on over the last 50,000 years in the way of permanently changing what species are, how they grow, and wholesale inventing new ones to serve our needs. And we did most of that with a fucking bicameral mind.
We are not equal to trees. Trees cannot do anything we can do.
Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental.
Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth.
I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross
Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident.
The second point being made has no relevance to the first point.
The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental.
It’s really not.
Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth.
Incorrect, their purpose is to serve whatever needs we might have for them. That’s the sole reason they exist.
I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross
That’s evolution. That’s how we evolved, and that’s how we live, and that’s why we are not anthropomorphic cats or octopi.
We allow these things to continue to exist because they are not harmful to us, and that they are useful to us. If they were not useful, they would cease to exist, and would’ve ceased to exist long before your suicidal morality came about. Until otherwise proven, the default is that things exist to serve us, the only part of the universe that can explore and understand itself. Anything less is suicide, anything more is ascribing natural evolution to God or the great spirit or or the oneness of everything other such childhood nonsense.
We are the singular apex predator. There is no living thing in the known universe that has our kill count. We allow whatever to exist, not the other way around, and we evolved to that place in the chain.
you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans.
Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here.
Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It’s the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children’s onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up.
you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans.
Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies.
Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying ‘oh woo woo says we’re all equal and one’ takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense:
Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here.
Maybe, we can’t know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true.
Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don’t sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we’re releasing. They’re too inefficient. And we’ve done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well.
the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature.
For example, without the trees we’d not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected.
It’s graditute, respect, and understanding.
Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead.
Are you at the mercy of the canned food in your kitchen? Are you at the mercy of the charge in your car’s battery? Are you at the mercy of the clothes on your body?
That’s not how life works. Every single form of life requires the destruction of other life, until we get down to individual amino acid chains which are very arguably not life the same way a fetus is not life.
Right, and you have no respect for the other living beings that occupy that cycle? You know we’re driving 200 other species to extinction every day, and when we run out, we die too, lol. Your attitude is why human beings are an extinction event.
No, your attitude is exactly why we are driving the extinction event. Every single climate change denier says the exact same tired point, “We’re too small, too insignificant to change the climate.” This idea humans are just another animal is objectively incorrect, and dangerous. We’re not smol beans. We’re not powerless. We’re not equal to random animals. If we were we wouldn’t have been able to cause an extinction event, we wouldn’t have changed the climate, and we wouldn’t be directly responsible for 60% of the animal biomass on the planet existing period.
If more people realized humans exist at the top of the food chain and are responsible for our environment and not the other way around, we could actually talk about taking global initiatives seriously.
But for as long as you people repeat the far-right Christian view that we’re just another one of God’s Creations we’re going to keep shirking the responsibility inherent to being the singular capable lifeform on this planet.
Sure, and in some churches they teach that the amount of wealth one has is the exact measure of how much favor they have with God, but you wouldn’t go claiming every capitalists is a believer in Christ because of that.
People can believe that the Apex Predator and currently the only serious life form on Earth is a higher form of life than a fucking plant category that couldn’t figure out how to decompose in any meaningful way for 300 million years.
Oh wow, you’re quite amazing. Tell me that you know nothing about nature without telling me that you know nothing about nature.
“The only serious life form on earth” XD
At this point I’ll choose to believe that you’re just trolling, I can’t actually believe that someone would have such a moronic take. But good job, I almost fell for it.
Yes exactly, let me know of a species that has degenerated so badly it is destroying itself and most of the environment that it requires to live. A lot of animals manage to alter their environment in complex ways, none is doing it as badly as humans.
Humans are even so stupid that they are trapping themselves on earth by transforming the sky into a garbage dump (well, and everything else they can find).
Just stop here, you’re making things worse for yourself. Just say that you’re a troll and move on, it will look less pathetic than actually defending the idea that humans are better than other species (and let alone the even more stupid take that nature is made for humans to exploit).
“trees are living beings and a common human good, life on Earth depends on their existence”
Is it that radical?
Yes. Trees, like all plants, exist primarily to make human life easier and in that goal are required to die and their corpse be used for a variety of needs; some quite ephemeral, some quite permanent.
Without wood access, assuming you are correctly against plastics, you’re essentially advocating for a world where poor people don’t get furniture, barbecue is tasteless, and wildfires are common place.
Edit: I genuinely didn’t expect liberals to take issue with this. It’s wild how right-wing beliefs like humans being smol inconsequential beans have spread in that community.
You’re one of those people that thinks there’s a sky daddy aren’t you?
Again quite the opposite. I don’t believe in the great spirit or oneness with everything or any of the hippie shit behind your ideology.
Trees exist for trees. Their purpose is to make more trees. Humans are not a consideration.
Their purpose is whatever purpose we have for them. We could eliminate them at any time on a whim.
That is an incredibly colonialist capitalist attitude and it’s exactly what got us into this ecological crisis.
You objectively do not know what either of those words mean.
You are looking at this as if the whole world was made for humans. You perhaps a creationist?
I’m looking at this as if Humans have made the world for humans. Which we have. That’s the opposite of creationism, and the opposite of whatever pseduoreligious spiritualist nonsense people like you push.
We are not innocent equals in this world. We are responsible for the death of at least 75% of species since the 1800s. We have the exclusive power to control all other species. They exist at our whim, and it is our sole responsibility to continue making them exist. Which we have taken on over the last 50,000 years in the way of permanently changing what species are, how they grow, and wholesale inventing new ones to serve our needs. And we did most of that with a fucking bicameral mind.
We are not equal to trees. Trees cannot do anything we can do.
Trees don’t exist “for” us. Animals don’t exist “for” us. We are a cosmic accident. The fact that they make our lives easier in a great variety of ways is incidental.
Trees, like all plants, exist as a similar cosmic accident and their “purpose” is to continue their spread and growth.
I’m not going to stop using wood any time soon, but the way you’re trying to paint humans as like, the one true species or some shit, is fucking gross
The second point being made has no relevance to the first point.
It’s really not.
Incorrect, their purpose is to serve whatever needs we might have for them. That’s the sole reason they exist.
That’s evolution. That’s how we evolved, and that’s how we live, and that’s why we are not anthropomorphic cats or octopi.
We allow these things to continue to exist because they are not harmful to us, and that they are useful to us. If they were not useful, they would cease to exist, and would’ve ceased to exist long before your suicidal morality came about. Until otherwise proven, the default is that things exist to serve us, the only part of the universe that can explore and understand itself. Anything less is suicide, anything more is ascribing natural evolution to God or the great spirit or or the oneness of everything other such childhood nonsense.
We are the singular apex predator. There is no living thing in the known universe that has our kill count. We allow whatever to exist, not the other way around, and we evolved to that place in the chain.
did you read the fuckin article? lol
you need to change your name yo, what youre talking about is heirarchy. That humans are better than everything else, and anything else soley exsist to serve humans.
Without humans, the trees and animals would still be here.
Yes, an unscientific puff piece about green washing being presented as a good thing despite it doing nothing of value. It’s the same thing as Target making a press release about rainbow children’s onesies or when the US government super duper promises to replant some of the trees they blow up.
Read On Authority by Engels sometime. Not only is the point of Marxism not the elimination of all Hierarchy, communism is in fact impossible without some hierarchies.
Yes, everything exists to serve humans. This also means humans have the responsibility to continue the things that keep us alive. Saying ‘oh woo woo says we’re all equal and one’ takes all responsibility off of humanity. The same as this nonsense:
Maybe, we can’t know that and it would be a pointless existence for them at that point. They exist so that we can exist, so we can keep them existing so we can continue to exist. The opposite is not true.
Trees cannot take care of us. They are not the solution to climate change. They don’t sequester anywhere enough carbon for the amount we’re releasing. They’re too inefficient. And we’ve done too much damage. By showing we are able to end all life on Earth we show that not only is everything dependent on us, we have the sole responsibility of their survival as well.
I dont think Id enjoy living my life if I were you.
bummer. sorry yo.
Wow, human exceptionalism is fucking gross.
Sorry you’re a traitor to your species.
youre a capitalist. All these points you make align with capitalism.
good work.
You’re not capable of making that determination based on your post history.
aww, you peeked my profile :3
the earth gave us a place to hold life. Not a traitor to my species, just humble enough to understand we are at the mercy of nature.
For example, without the trees we’d not have anything to burn when we found fire. Nor wood houses, nor yes, our furniture. But also no shade to keep us from the sun, no place for the birds and squirrels to nest. Trees give life for many outside our species too. In nature, all is connected.
It’s graditute, respect, and understanding.
Ill edit this if I can find a link, but a national forest removed the wolves from its park. A time later, the trees started dying. Sceince found (and i forget so imma look it up,) somehow the missing wolves lead to the dead trees, so they reintroduced the wolves. I believe deer pop exploded and were eating the trees dead.
How wolves change rivers!
Are you at the mercy of the canned food in your kitchen? Are you at the mercy of the charge in your car’s battery? Are you at the mercy of the clothes on your body?
Sorry you’re a traitor to every form of life except your own, lol.
That’s not how life works. Every single form of life requires the destruction of other life, until we get down to individual amino acid chains which are very arguably not life the same way a fetus is not life.
Right, and you have no respect for the other living beings that occupy that cycle? You know we’re driving 200 other species to extinction every day, and when we run out, we die too, lol. Your attitude is why human beings are an extinction event.
No, your attitude is exactly why we are driving the extinction event. Every single climate change denier says the exact same tired point, “We’re too small, too insignificant to change the climate.” This idea humans are just another animal is objectively incorrect, and dangerous. We’re not smol beans. We’re not powerless. We’re not equal to random animals. If we were we wouldn’t have been able to cause an extinction event, we wouldn’t have changed the climate, and we wouldn’t be directly responsible for 60% of the animal biomass on the planet existing period.
If more people realized humans exist at the top of the food chain and are responsible for our environment and not the other way around, we could actually talk about taking global initiatives seriously.
But for as long as you people repeat the far-right Christian view that we’re just another one of God’s Creations we’re going to keep shirking the responsibility inherent to being the singular capable lifeform on this planet.
What a fucking stupid world view.
What the hell are you talking about?
Eating, you know food. Nothing can survive off of photosynthesis alone, sugar isn’t that useful.
You just said every single form of life dumbass. What other lifeform do plants eat exactly?
Nothing exists for humans. Fix yourself.
Wow, did you not read the things you were typing while you were typing them…?
I thought the idea that the world was made by god to serve humans was known to not exactly be a fact, but apparently some people believe it still.
By the way, yes, quite obviously you are not “woke”.
No one brought up God. Just not using your woo-woo ‘oh the earth and the trees are living beings and we’re all one’ nonsense that helps no one.
They teach that in some churches though, that “everything on earth was put here for us by god”.
Sure, and in some churches they teach that the amount of wealth one has is the exact measure of how much favor they have with God, but you wouldn’t go claiming every capitalists is a believer in Christ because of that.
People can believe that the Apex Predator and currently the only serious life form on Earth is a higher form of life than a fucking plant category that couldn’t figure out how to decompose in any meaningful way for 300 million years.
Oh wow, you’re quite amazing. Tell me that you know nothing about nature without telling me that you know nothing about nature.
“The only serious life form on earth” XD
At this point I’ll choose to believe that you’re just trolling, I can’t actually believe that someone would have such a moronic take. But good job, I almost fell for it.
Let me know when any other life form manages to completely change the entire climate in less than 100 years.
Yes exactly, let me know of a species that has degenerated so badly it is destroying itself and most of the environment that it requires to live. A lot of animals manage to alter their environment in complex ways, none is doing it as badly as humans.
Humans are even so stupid that they are trapping themselves on earth by transforming the sky into a garbage dump (well, and everything else they can find).
Just stop here, you’re making things worse for yourself. Just say that you’re a troll and move on, it will look less pathetic than actually defending the idea that humans are better than other species (and let alone the even more stupid take that nature is made for humans to exploit).
We can trace every living thing on the planet’s lineage back to a single common ancestor. We are quite literally one.