This is just most people at this point.
Morality is conditional based upon who is involved and whether or not the person judging likes the parties involved.
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You are a fucking ghoul
Lmao remember when this was funny because the ease at which the blond lady dismissed things she didn’t care about was indication that she was not the progressive person she claimed to be?
I’m going to hold off commenting on this until my youtuber tells me what to think
the youtuber:
Putting aside which is worse, and putting aside the race element, the crime of rape is far more unforgivable than the crime of murder. Although the far-right (not just in America) seems very quick to forgive rapists.
Out of curiosity… how can something unforgivable be more unforgivable than something else that is also unforgivable? Actions like that are either completely unforgivable or they are forgivable, right?
Nothing is ever completely unforgivable (emphasis on the “completely”), literal Hitler aside.
If someone murders their spouse in a fit of rage and not only shows intense remorse for their crimes but also dedicates their life to helping others at tremendous cost to themselves, I’d be able to forgive them.
But would you let them be in charge of a facility meant to help domestic abuse victims?
That’s the point being made here. Even if you can forgive a war criminal, they shouldn’t be allowed to hold a public position of power that let’s them influence the wars, invasions, and conquests of the US empire.
Forgiveness and trust are two different things.
Yeah they’re trusting him here, is my point
So if he had murdered her instead that would be no big deal?
I should’ve put more emphasis on the word “unforgivable”. I assumed people would read my random Lemmy post more closely.
There are a variety of reasons people commit murder, but there’s only one reason they rape someone and that is for their own pleasure at the expense of others. For that reason, the crime of rape is far harder to forgive.
the crime of rape is far more unforgivable than the crime of murdering brown people
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No you didn’t.
Wait you’re saying that Platner drunkenly raping his GF is worse than murdering her?
She let him rape her because she was afraid of something worse happening if she didn’t.
Wait you’re saying that Platner drunkenly raping his GF is worse than murdering her?
Putting aside which is worse … the crime of rape is far more unforgivable than the crime of murder.
Saying that one is more unforgivable already means you consider it worse.
Reducing war crimes to murder…
As did OP.
How do you sleep after defending war criminals?
Death to all war criminals and rapists. There is no compromise on this. There is no lesser evilism here.
They didn’t
He was a guard at Abu Ghraib, so he was already known for doing what you claim to be unforgivable when western liberals were saying how he should be rewarded with a high position in the most vile state in existence.
Well I really don’t get it, analysing the past behaviour of the mistakes nature made, also called Usians, a sexual abuser has a higher chance of winning elections no? The problem is that he didn’t abuse a minor? I’m confused.
if you want to have political power here you have to be able to get away with abuse. he’s fumbling the get away with part
I see he just sucks at been garbage, many such cases.
Wow this is so ruthless thank you for blessing me with the opportunity to experience this comment
USA is threatening military action in my country so I’m already pumping my hatred. In the end of the year I’ll look like Palpatine.
USA is threatening military action in my country
The sad part is that this doesn’t even narrow down which country you live in…
In the past was easier, there’s a info graph to follow:
everything not colored.Nowadays the colored ones could be the answer too.
I’m sorry about the cortisol, comrade. I hope the empire falls before they do more damage.
Thats only true if they take the time to thank Jesus for helping them rape children.
This meme is entirely on point and it’s upsetting people who genuinely don’t care about war crimes
“What’s next? Saying the military is bad?!??!”
“Yes.”
Forgiveness can be great in certain circumstances, but it has to come from the victims, not from the perpetrators, enablers and benefactors of the violence (Democrats).
Those brown people he murdered are a sacrifice i am willing to make - libs
even if the people of iraq and afghanistan and his domestic victims all forgave him he shouldn’t be a candidate for county comptroller, let alone a senator. former troops can clean toilets for a living, and mercenaries can do it without ppe.
aimed at: some nazi
hit: people who work as cleaners
go read about Puyi, and non-warcriminal janitors are welcome to run for public office or lead organizations.
former troops can clean toilets for a living, and mercenaries can do it without ppe.
Definitely a comment just about doing useful work after recognizing the harm you caused and taking accountability, no hint of this work being punishment.
Yes, 100% agree
God dammit. This is pretty funny.
guys, raping, war crimes, nazi tattoos… are only bad when they do it…
Liberals are just as spineless as conservatives. they treat politics as a sport.
Damn, my bad. I thought she had a darker skin. In my defense, it’s kind of hard to tell in a back alley with no lights. /s
Alright, I’ll bite. Is there any proof he killed brown children?
He participated in the Fallujah and Ramadi massacares and was a concentration camp guard at Abu Graib and joined Blackwater.
Why don’t you ask for proof of him raping that white woman?
The woman provided recipts.
The dead can’t provide receipts, how neat!
And the military also does what it can to cover up for war crimes; look up the immediate aftermath of basically any war crime
In the aftermath of the Haditha massacre for example, the military claimed a blast killed 15 civilians and military thugs killed eight insurgents
Did she provide video evidence?
Are you sure the video wasn’t AI?
Come on just keep doubling down like you’ve been doing for his war crimes against brown children.
I am not aware of any specific war crimes he participated in. I mistakenly gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had grown from the kind of uncritical person who joins the military, hence leaving it and running on anti-imperialist policy.
But the rape was in 2023.
you are literally the meme, gringos are so fucked in the brain its scary. you are scary.
We seriously need to stop giving any sort of importance to opinions held by Westerners. Nearly every single one I’ve met is totally okay turning a blind eye to the exploitation of us in the third world if they can just get a bigger piece of the imperialism pie.
Its unfortunate, but they’re anyway headed towards a collapse. Our priority should be radicalising our own country people, and hopefully accelerate the collapse of Western societies so they can’t fuck up any more stuff than they already have
It’s not unreasonable to see a guy who comes away from the military saying “Hey this is bad and we shouldn’t do it” and be easily led to believe the guy saw what he was a part of and understood it needs to be stopped. Every successful revolution includes former soldiers of the regime who’ve realized they were on the wrong side.
He returned from his tour…
And then did another tour
And then did another tour
And then did another tour
And then joined Blackwater…
He was in the military for eight (8) years! He went on three (3) tours to Iraq that included Ramadi, Fallujah and Abu Ghraib! When asked why he said “he wanted to play soldier” and “he wanted go on an adventure and kill some people”! He went on another tour in Afghanistan and then once more as a blackwater (constellis) merc! I have never seen him repentant or apologetic of what he did and support.
It’s not unreasonable to see a guy who comes away from the military saying “Hey this is bad and we shouldn’t do it”
He didn’t do that. He bragged about his atrocities as an ‘excellent experience’.
Why are you still trying to pretend that he showed any sort of remorse?Platner is an unashamed imperialist and by personal accounts loved being a mercenary in Iraq. He doesn’t seem regretful at all and made no real attempt at asking for forgiveness.
that is not even the case. in most marxist leninist states former imperial/royalist army officials were either kept because of greater forces, purged, or entirely dismantled through the ongoing period of revolution/guerrilla warfare. im not going to say it never happened but it’s not like you shouldn’t treat former (to say the least) participants in war crimes against the proletariat with nothing but the ultimate suspicion.
This was him in 2020.
The rape was in 2023. It’s 2026 now. Like who cares, the past is the past. He has grown past it right? He also said people need to respect women during his campaign and rape is bad. Why won’t you accept his personal growth?!
The Democratic Party people are so brain dead.
He bragged on his reddit about firing mortar rounds into civilian areas, said he joined the Marines in order to kill, later became a Blackwater Merc
https://themainemonitor.org/platner-reddit-comments/ <- includes a searchable database of his comments, plenty of other bad stuff in there too if the SA and Murder didn’t already give you a read on who he is: racism, homophobia, ableism etc
Iraq. The entirety of Iraq was a war crime. Collin Powell even came out and said there were never weapons of mass destruction and they lied to the UN. He gave that interview with the Guardian early in 2004. Fallujah was in November later that year.
The US lied about WMDs and illegally invaded a country that had neither attacked them or an ally, nor was it at war with any other country. That’s a war crime and why Germany had the Treaty of Versailles placed on it for invading neutral Belgium.
Let’s not forget he willingly did multiple tours, and some for potentially black water (a war crime loving group)
Yup. I was just pointing out how there were no doubts in 2004 the Iraq War was illegal. Platner joined up after then-secretary Powell confessed the whole thing was a sham. It’s not like he joined up on September 12th. 2001, naively believing the US was a force for good. He joined when everyone knew what was being done to the Middle East was a crime.
At the point when someone has volunteered to do that many tours, I think the burden of proof is on them to prove that they did not commit war crimes.
I see he was deployed at those times (not that he participated necessarily), don’t see anything about Abu Graib, and yes obviously he joined Blackwater. That doesn’t mean those things aren’t true obviously.
The woman did provide proof.
I just want to know what’s real and not the worst possible made up scenario.
don’t see anything about Abu Graib,
Did you try like, opening Google?
Do you think every person that works at a military base interrogates prisoners?
Platner said he killed the people trying to free people who were being tortured.
I’m going to report you for using the word “interrogates” instead of “tortures” though.
Yes? I wasn’t super thorough so I could be wrong.
I feel like you weren’t super thorough because you don’t want to acknowledge the war crimes committed by Platner. Idk why that is, but more often than not, its because of vote blue no matter who.
Personally, I hope he gets shot in the face during a rally or something
I care less that he did those warcrimes, and more so that he atones for them and does positive things. Or he can get shot I don’t really care, either works for me.
I care less that he did those warcrimes, and more so that he atones for them and does positive things
He has done nothing to atone for them, however. What are you even talking about?
Platner went to the United States Marine Corps School of Infantry and deployed to Iraq in 2005. “It was a relatively calm deployment for the first few months, mostly because the Battle of Fallujah just happened, and much of the insurgent activity in the area had been crushed in that fight,” he told me. Later, while he was on patrol at Abu Ghraib, there was an attack on the prison.
I see he was deployed at those times
Which means that he was a very direct participant in the process that involved things like killing (as well as torturing, including by SA) children in Iraq. He signed up to do that multiple times, because of how much he loved the ‘experience’ (according to him).
The dude was using a makeshift mortar to fire at densely populated urban areas even though using mortars where forbidden because the amount of civilians that got murdered was to high even for the us army standards. At the absolute provable minimum he risked children getting killed or injured even after ordered not to do so
Reading it, it seems more careless and stupid rather than malicious. But, I still didn’t know this before and I appreciate it.
Death to the US. Death to Platner. Death to people who defend war crimes.
Analysis is not justification
How many levels of racist do you have to be to think shelling civilian areas with explosives is “stupid rather than malicious”?
If someone started firing grenade launchers into Maine would that be “stupid rather than malicious”?
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them. They shouldn’t be there obviously but it’s a little different don’t you think?
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them
Him having such enemies is a direct and very expected consequence of him signing up to torture, kill, and otherwise subjugate the people of Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times.
The only way you can think he had any right to retaliate in general is if you think that repeatedly signing up to torture, kill, and otherwise subjugate the people of Iraq and Afghanistan multiple times is perfectly okay.I didn’t say any of those things and I don’t think that.
You were trying to excuse a USSian invader going around orders in order to fire explosives at civilians in the comment I replied to:
They shouldn’t be there obviously but it’s a little different don’t you think?
Do you know how US military speak works?
So he tells this elaborate story only to leave out the one detail that he actually was doing it for fun and to kill civilians?
Man, looking at people like you, I hope Trump wins again LMAO. You deserve someone who implodes your country.
In fact, I’m gonna go spread some more antidemocrat propaganda hehe
He posted on Reddit about how epic and fun it was. And how it was entirely inaccurate and he doesn’t know what it hit.
Ok so you get the order from higher ups that shelling this area is forbidden because it is too population dense. You then jerry-rig a kind-of mortar using a grenade launcher in order to explicitly defy this command without getting detected. You note that “it [is]n’t the most accurate system and [have] no idea if you ever killed an enemy mortar crew with it”, but sadly your training was insufficient to know that you would be putting childrens lives and limbs at undue risk?? And your reaction is basically 🤷???
Here’s a thought experiment: an american community starts to fight back against ICE with armed resistance. One of the ICE agents does the same thing, but years later decides to run as a dem candidate. What (if anything) does he have to do in order for you vote for him?
If afterwards he says he shouldn’t have been there and done that, is anti Israel, and his opponents are pro Israel and in the case of Susan Collins literally voted to send his ass and all the other thousands of troops there… Yeah probably. (edit: I guess for your hypothetical they would be a senator and primary challenger that’s pro ICE and the sitting senator is a rubber stamp for ICE funding increases and/or voted to create ICE)
My reaction is he wasn’t killing civilians for his own kicks and implies he’s exactly what I said, a stupid crayon eater.
If afterwards he says he shouldn’t have been there and done that
He says it was an ‘excellent experience’. He considered the ‘experience’ to be good enough to sign up several more times, including as a mercenary, and to then brag about it.
is anti Israel
Well, he isn’t. He’s even friends with zionists.
and his opponents are pro Israel and in the case of Susan Collins literally voted to send his ass and all the other thousands of troops there
She didn’t force him to sign up even once, let alone several times.
He also isn’t any better in terms of policies - he wants to strengthen the military.My reaction is he wasn’t killing civilians for his own kicks
He has literally said that he had fun doing it and bragged about it.
Specifically defying lawful orders to commit war crimes isn’t careless
If you went on top of the empire State building and threw multiple hand grenades on the street below, where white people could be walking, would you call that malicious? Or a terror attack? Can you see how him shelling a neighborhood where brown people live is similar? I’m not trying to be mean, but anyone who struggles to see how bad this is, might just have their ability to emphasize impaired by racism. It might not be their fault, people often absorb racists believes unconsciously or have a hard time extending the same amount of empathy, they would to white people to racialized people, if they rarely interact with them. People reading this, who suspect this might apply to them even in a limited way, should really take this to heart and try to reflect on their racist biases and ability to empathize.
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them. They shouldn’t be there obviously but it’s a little different don’t you think?
Why were those people shooting at invaders? Hmmmmmmm… What a mystery.
Again, go Comrade Trump 2028! Collapse the US from the inside!
Why on earth do you think I’m a trump supporter?Nevermind I see the context of your statement from other comments.I figured this is exactly where I’d get this information from people who knew more about the guy and the reasons they hate him so much. I’m very pro Palestine and I’ll overlook a lot of shit to anyone that will be a reliable vote against Israel man. (That may be wish casting and stupid, and I ultimately don’t think Platner is that guy even if he looked like it for a bit.)
No, it isn’t.
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