Wtf is the point in this in the US when you can just go and pick up a gun from the road or a bush or someone’s desk or whatever?
We can’t depend on the government to protect us in dire situations.
We need guns. You know how I know that? If someone breaks into your house and starts threatening you with a knife, are they going to sit there and wait to be arrested just because you called 911?
Your American right? Only country I know where you need guns to feel safe. What a dry baby country.
It’s a futile and stupid effort funded solely by Bloomberg: The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it - YouTube
This article is disgusting neoliberal disinformation because it hides this simple and easily provable fact. Probably frames it as a debate with pro and contra. But it’s fundamentally moronic.
So if you 3D print a lathe to make your gun, it’s ok?
They act like we have this big problem with 3d printed guns. This is about control not safety.
It’s funny, I live in a country with very few privately owned guns, where ammo is tracked and everything.
No 3d printed gun murders have taken place here. Why would they happen in the US where anyone can just get a real gun?
Murders aren’t happening with Ghost guns, but big bro is scared and they came up with a scary name to scare the general public.
3D printed gun parts were actually from the makers community where they’re not malicious, they’re customizing grips and handguards and other parts for uniqueness and customization. Reproducing movie and game guns for fun. Capitalist daddy didn’t like then making something “for nothing” vs spending Lots of money with retailers and manufacturers, so it slowly became a problem when it caught on and everyone stated making their own.
ONE thing caught attention, and that was 3D printed parts that basically jam a trigger mechanism in Glocks allowing them to fire multiple rounds with a single trigger pull. Now magically these people became awful criminals who are intentionally selling “ghost guns” by the masses that’s a huge problem with 1000s being recovered by police… Only I completely made up that whole last part. See if easy to seem believable if there’s the slightest credibility involved. I’ve not seen more than a few dozen maybe recovered guns with 3d printed parts. Most all of them are still regular manufactured parts with 3d “accessories” because you can’t print the metal barrel (definitely not reliably) and other parts that would otherwise have a serial number you can now get away without a registration.
Luigi allegedly used a 3D printed gun.
It’s to neutralize “right to repair” work.
I don’t like these kind of restrictions. Don’t allow ghost guns which means if your caught with one you can do time. Beyond that is overreach. You are not allowed to rob places but people can still try to do it and if caught go to jail (well maybe). Im not wild about preventing people from doing things as much as depending on them to either respect the law or face consequences from it.
Wow, they are doing so much to stop guns from getting into the wrong hands. I’m really glad the everyday issue of 3d printed guns will finally be solved.
Wait until they find out that you can make a shotgun with some galvanized pipe and a nail.
Are 3d printed guns even a problem? This whole thing is just a way to destroy peoples ability to do anything on their own, or repair anything.
No. It’s made up nonsense, like 99% of justifications for gun laws. The people writing the laws are rarely actually knowledgeable on the subject they’re writing legislation for.
3D printing working, safe-to-handle and durable guns is a pretty complicated technical problem. Don’t need to be a genius to figure out that making 100% plastic guns is asking for trouble. Tiny explosion = big plastic cracky.
Meanwhile, any monkey can bash together pieces of scrap metal and produce a durable gun that way. And that was a thing long, long before 3D printers existed.
3d printed guns aren’t 100% plastic. In fact the only part that’s printed is the only part actually considered a firearm in the US, the receiver. You know, that gun shaped object that Glock themselves make out of plastic. All other parts, barrel, slide, magazine, springs, trigger, etc are all purchased without any controls or background checks and then assembled into a firearm on the 3d printed receiver.
They work amazingly well for what they are and they hold up for many many rounds.
Arnt they more worried about the all plastic guns that can fire once and get through detectors?
Not nearly as much of a problem as real guns that’s for goddamn sure.
Someone played Watch Dogs and got a-scared.
Arm the Proletariat
I’ve been telling people to arm and practice for more than 10 years.
No, definitely not. There’s a guy on YouTube that has videos on 3d printed guns, I bet he has info on how to use them safely.
I would not practice with a 3d printed gun; they last like 3 shots, if even?
“might stop anyone from 3D printing guns”
I can guarantee you that it won’t even do that.
No, it won’t.
I suppose they don’t care because the purpose of the laws is not to prevent the printing of guns, that’s only the justification.
It absolutely won’t do that. You know how many millions of early generation Prusa and Ender 3 printers are in the US? Many of these models have no internet connectivity whatsoever and print from SD card.
What that means is they will also try to incorporate spyware into your CAD and/or slicer software, which is even more invasive.
This is a anti-privacy bill.
I don’t even understand how they imagine this will work. Most printers are certainly not powerful enough to do real 3d object detection. Even if they forced slicers to include this, just fork OrcaSlicer and take it back out. Actually a lot of printers run open source software as well, so we can just fork klipper of it ever comes to that.
It won’t stop anyone buying or importing innocuous machinery parts like 2020 aluminium extrusions or GT2 belts either. There are mature generic 3D printer designs out there that outperforms RepRap i3 bedslingers.
It absolutely will not stop some people. But those are not the ones committing gun crimes
says who?
much like fi the children this has nothing to do with guns
It’s like making a normal printer that’s mandated by the government to never print dicks
I mean normal printers will not let you print money. That’s what gave these idiots the idea to begin with I’d wager. But there are orders of magnitude in difference in difficulty between making a piece of software capable of autonomously recognizing a few existing designs of dollar bills and one that can tell a working gun part that can take a shape that can vary almost infinitely from other objects that can also take nearly infinite shapes.
They don’t recognize bills. They recognize a pattern of tiny yellow rings in the bills, the Eurion constellation, which can barely be seen by the eye. This supposedly will stop copiers and printers from scanning or printing any document that has these.
Bypassing these is trivial.
It’s not even a few existing designs… There is an exact pattern called the eurion constellation that all printers block. Then the process for printing each countries currency just involves placing a eurion constellation and you get the protection.
Its a single pattern that is very rigidly defined, to the point that many counterfeit bills that pass inspection shift one mark off by about a millimeter to get it printed.
Granted having worked at a bank when I found out was that the bill didn’t have the off color threads as well, but it almost was approved despite getting a close inspection.
Gosh, if only it were illegal to manufacture and sell weapons without a license, then we wouldn’t need all this.
When you consider how many students were shoot with 3d printed guns… Oh wait, those were all manufactured by a proper business, carry on then, we don’t want to interrupt big businesses.
This goes way, way beyond ‘guns.’ It is an assault on property rights and freedom of expression as concepts generally. It would fully outlaw Free Software firmware (which is what the entire 3D printer hobby, having started with the RepRap project, is based on!). It would cut the Maker movement as a whole off at the knees.
It’s absolute tyranny in ways entirely unrelated to guns themselves.
I rember in the US police had an event where in an effort that has had some success getting guns off the street is they were paying $200 per gun you turned in, including ghost guns no questions asked. Some legend heard about the event and quickly made quite a few working guns out of 2"x4"s, metal plumbing pipe, and a nail. He only used basic tools like a drill and angle grinder from what I remember. The police had to pay him too, but I think they changed the rules after
One problem the left especially the global left outside the US has when they talk about gun control they flat out do not understand how things work when so many people want something as much as people want guns in the US. Also how hard it would be to actually change the constitution. They were not able to stop people smoking weed or drinking alcohol either. It’s going to have to be a major societal shift. I think there’s a good chance we will see that in the next 50 years.
I support gun control wherever it’s shown to actually work but a lot laws are being pushed by either someone with an alternative motive like the 3D printer laws, or have actually no clue and just want to put another law that sounds good to
The 3D printer laws are really a micro manufacturing and surveillance law that appears to be being pushed by a billionaire and a company in bed with palantir. It could kill open source 3d printers that are the only reason we have 3d printers in the first place. The guns people make with 3D printers require major components from actual guns that you can leagly buy because the parts are not considered a gun.
Please stop conflating Democrats with “the left.”
Democrats are centrists or even center-right. Actual leftists tend to be just as gun-happy as conservatives. Both for protection from those conservatives, and because Marx was pretty explicit about the proletariat needing to revolt.
I’m well aware of that. That’s why I said global left and not democrats. Global leftists meaning the generally left average for the globe. In my opinion most of the global left is out of touch with the US’s gun problem. Where do you see me saying Democrats?
iirc some of the parts you need like the lower are considered guns, but your point still stands. the last paragraph, i mean. it’d just surveillance state horseshit with the added benefit of protecting corporate profits in an industry that was developed with public funds and innovation.
This is just the dumbest thing ever… So I can’t print a grip for a camera?
Uhhh nope. Palantir said so
