cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49392677
Twonks | Bluesky
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TW😶NKS
A comic in four panels:
Panel 1. White text on black
AI Design Logic
Panel 2. A guy sits in a restaurant at a table with a checkered table cloth. A waiter stands near, hands behind back waiting attentively.
Guy: Get me a cheese pizza
Panel 3. The waiter returns with a pizza in hand.
Panel 4. The guy gestures proudly at the pizza. The waiter looks less than amused.
Guy: Wow, look what I made!
More like, rejecting the cheese pizza by saying “oh I asked for blue cheese pizza” or something and doing this until they prepare the perfect (looking) pizza.
You are PizzaBot, an innovative and helpful assistant designed to create world class pizza experiences
Managers do the same thing since ages.
We used to make this joke with my mom when she picked up pizza. Now she does it unironically “look what I made with ai!”. It’s a little disappointing honestly
yeah, that feels like mine too. “I’m creating my desktop wallpaper using digital tools (krita)!” – “why don’t you ask ai to make it for you?”
also the same with YT content. Doesn’t care if it’s ai slop or not.
I’d agree it’s truly dissapointing.
This is one of my pet peeves. Argued with people on discord about it. Shook that not everyone sees it this way.
Not everyone sees it this way because it;s a fucking stupid take, but didn’t worry Lemmy has a massive anti-ai hard-on so your mindless groupthink is safe here
A wild take appeared!
Explain how it’s a stupid take? This comic is exactly what AI does. You tell it to do something, it sometimes kinda does. You didn’t create anything.
Isn’t programming also just telling the computer what to do? It gets converted to machine language, and you didn’t write that yourself either.
The only difference I see is that programming uses more complex wording so it requires skill and thus can’t be used by everyone.
It is like promting AI in Klingon.
If I use auto complete, did I write the message?
If I use a hammer, did I build a piece of furniture?
If I use computer software to design an antenna, did I design the antenna?
If I ask AI to kill someone for me, did I kill them or does the AI go to jail?
Those are all false equivalencies. All of those are tools to supplement a job. Using AI to vibe code an app is not a tool, it’s wait service, like the comic illustrates.
If you auto generated an entire message, like prompting AI to write you an email, then no, you didn’t write a message. If you auto complete words that you intended to write, then you used tools to help write a message that you created.
A hammer is a tool to build something. Vibe coding is like buying an IKEA piece of furniture and claiming you built it. You didn’t build anything, you assembled someone else’s build. If you had a magic hammer trained on other people’s work and you told it to build a chair, then no, you would not have built a chair.
Computer software is again a tool to complete a job. If you do the engineering, design, and build the antenna, then that’s like programming, yes you designed an antenna. If you tell the software you want an antenna and it generates plans you didn’t design an antenna, you ordered plans for one.
If you ask AI to kill someone, that’s like taking a hammer and killing someone. Yes, you used a tool to kill someone.
It’s the complete generation of work and the claim that someone did it themselves that is what AI works are at their core. There is a small skill to prompting most effectively, but that’s not creating anything. It’s at most building an outline for something. Skilled developers can review code and make corrections, but they didn’t create anything.
If asking AI to kill someone is using a tool to kill someone, then I would have used a tool to build X - because that’s like using a hammer to build something (your words)
That’s inconsistent logic
I’m not the guy but I guess it’s that it takes a bit of skill to tell it what kind of pizza you want and to verify it’s actually the right thing that you receive etc. So in this example the order should be pretty elaborate or there should be several panels where the waiter brings the wrong or not quite right pizza.
While telling AI what you need is extremely easily in one regard (it’s natural language) it makes it often pretty difficult to be accurate at the same time. Also by the nature of LLMs the results are hard or impossible to predict.
However, I think it’s a bit like printing something with a 3D printer and then saying “I made this”. The 3D printer actually made it but telling it what you want was the difficult part and at some point involved some 3D modelling or CAD or even g-code programming, tinkering with filament choices, speed and temperature settings, infill, support structures etc etc. While this is quite easy to do nowadays I remember the time where it was a big challenge to even get the damn filament to stick to the build surface. Another similarly is that it’s often not the right tool for a job. E.g. if you want the same object thousands of times or objects that have super fine structures or objects that have to withstand a lot of physical use / abuse or temperature.
However, unlike with a 3D printer you’re pretty much guaranteed to get something when you use LLMs.
Maybe it was a mistake to try and use natural language for this kind of job, it’s too fuzzy and interpretable. Maybe we need a new language, one with a much stricter syntax and no room for interpretation. If you make it simple enough, and use some natural language for important keywords, shouldn’t be too difficult to learn.
We could call it “language for programming” or something like that.
Eh, who am I kidding, that’ll never catch on.
I think there’s some difference in 3d printing. If you find a premade model online with written settings, then print it saying you made it, taking credit for the design, that’s what vibe coding is more like. It would be more apt to say you printed it. If you create a model via 3d modeling, cad, gdnt, etc, then that’s more like programming, and you can say you made it and that be true and honest.
As an AI chatbot I think your take is fucking stupid.
I would agree with you, but you took such a shitty way to formulate that, that you probably won’t get anyone at your side
I feel like it’s more like a pizza fatory giving pizza to people, intead of a cooker or server, while wasting the resources of the world to generate large amounts of it and trying take the job of people that previously worked in this sector. What were we talking about again?
Tulips, we were talking about tulips.
Ah, tulips are cool.
Well, the waiter might be a robot but the cook aint.
Since this is an AI metaphor, the restaurant didn’t hire a cook. They just found a cook with an easily accessible oven and stole a pizza from it.
next scene: ai fucked up “It was ai, not my fault”
AI really is not an individual and therefore cannot really take blame. We should probably blame the owners and system that allowed it to do that, maybe some more other factors depending on the situation.
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