- cross-posted to:
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- cross-posted to:
- smallweb@lemmy.cafe
- programming@programming.dev
I think AI won’t save us here, our base is broken. The internet is kind of shattered, most of the pages on the wild have broken and even wrong links. Divs doings the work of buttons, the semantics are totally lost. This, at least for me, feels like a good view point on what we can fix first, and with luck have a better internet.
All feedback is welcome.
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Japanese websites are really crap. Websites without a modern UI framework are pretty miserable. I hate phone numbers that try open an app I almost never want to click and see a phone call pop up.
What people who yearn for a better web always seem to miss is a vision for the future. So often its going back to the past with simple sites, no JavaScript, HTML+CSS, websites that do one thing, full privacy at the cost of terrible UX. Fuck that use modern tech build websites that allow you to do things real time. Dont just leave a phone number, give me a way to easily submit a booking. Use recommendation engines to serve interesting content. Connect users across protocols. Use the GPU. The possibilities for websites these days is crazy but few really go for it. Only do massive tech companies try and go above a traditional we site but they do it with the intention to create walled gardens instead of build out a web garden.
Despite my complaints I mostly use the sites I complain about. But its why I like the fediverse so much. It breaks the trend of going back to irc and text sites and has a modern web vision.
I’ll heavily disagree with you.
All the modern web, using the modern frameworks, for the modern browser, that requires modern hardware, for a modern person… I hove you got the gist just by this phrase.
We can use less and still be usefull. Most of the web is static. The bakery don’t need to render a unique page for you just because you are from the same country. The same way that the news feed don’t need to regenerate the page every request, it can keep the old news there, until a new post arives, so clean the cache and hit a new one.
Notice that I’m not talking about pages like a mail application, figma or discord. I’m talking about the majority of the web, most are static, won’t need this.
Maybe would be a cool thing for ya to look on the small web moviment, it’s a pretty interesting idea, and can show that static pages can be cool, even knowing that they aren’t the “common place”.
The thing is, a lot of websites don’t need to be interactive, or only need to present interactivity to a minority of visitors. Consider Wikipedia, for example. Only a small percentage of people visiting the site are interested in editing anything. The rest shouldn’t be burdened with massive quantities of extra downloads for a feature they don’t need, want, or use.
Furthermore, you don’t need a “modern web framework” to have an interactive site, and most of them seem to be pretty bloated.
The level of technology a site displays should be appropriate to what the site is trying to do. If your site is about services that you need an appointment for, then yes, there should be a booking setup on the site. If you’re running a store, you should have a shopping cart. Add as much of an interactive layer as is necessary to do these things, and do them well, but no more than that.
Most of us just want pages to render quickly, stop tracking us unnecessarily, and stop choking our connections and stealing our electricity for stuff that isn’t useful to us (or to anyone except depraved corporations).
pages links divs
Sounds like the world wide web is broken. The Internet works fine still.
Fair point. But very little nitt-picky, right?
yes because its clear by context this is about the web.
No? It’s an entire ecosystem people just pretend isn’t there. The Internet is a lot more than just websites
You are so angry, do you want a hug?
the semantics are totally lost
If you are talking semantic on the linguistic view… Yeah a lot of people can read, but can’t understand the other. If you are talking about html, you are also correct… You know what… You are just correct…
Dammit, this reply is already contracting myself!
naaaaaaaaaaah
not a web dev. If I did want to make some minimal fast loading pages that don’t look awful, is there a decent framework out there that will do the styling? A bit of html is fine but learning CSS is just not on my to do list.
Saying you want to make a web page without learning css is like saying you want to play basketball without shooting hoops. Learn CSS.
HTMX is pretty good. It gives you markup that extends HTML for things like async loading, and incorporates some features that you’d otherwise have to do using Javascript or CSS.
My “to go” tool of the day is Alpine.js, fills a similar void, but the focus is on the client side, the botton idea is the same.
Not sure what you mean with loading pages, but maybe you should look into classless CSS for a minimal look. One of my favorites is Water.css when I just want to have something other than the browser default HTML styling, but there are many more.
Depends on how much do you want to tradeoff on this.
The “easiest” way will always incur in some extra files, or unused shite. When I started, Bootstrap were the only acceptable thing, yesterday were Tailwind, and soon will be “what the AI spits on your face”…
So, a custom styling will always be “best options”, but this depends on your level of understanding on the web, and if CSS isn’t on your bucket list, leave for the ones that have this on the bucket list.
(Sorry for not having a silver bullet for this)
