I’m a complete and utter newbie to this. But, based on the discussion about “not needing a new phone” and the availability of alternatives in Canada, can anyone recommend what might act as a suitable alternative to Android and iPhone OS. Ideally, I can keep my phone and just use a different OS. But I have some problems and could use some foundational knowledge to start my research and make a decision:

  1. I’m trying to keep my Samsung S21 Ultra as long as possible. I looked at Graphene and Lineage and both do not support it from what I can tell.
  2. Internet, heavy data use is not an issue. I have wi-fi wherever I go.
  3. I’d prefer not to buy a new phone. If I need to buy a used phone, I am leaning towards an older Pixel and Graphene OS. Is that a sound decision? If not, are there phones such as Fairphone (not in Canada…) to consider?
  • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
    4·
    20 days ago

    I wouldn’t buy a Google phone in pursuit of privacy, and I wouldn’t buy a Motorola one either.

    So you just don’t have a phone?

    • cabbage@piefed.socialEnglish
      2·
      20 days ago

      While there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism yadda yadda there’s still degrees of bad. I would not buy from a company who is actively building the infrastructure of the fascist surveillance state. By Google phone here I meant a Google brand phone, not a phone that comes with Google Android. Buying a Google Pixel second hand is obviously better than buying anything new.

      Basically I think it’s worth trying to avoid buying things from people who want to do you harm, and when compromises have to be made it’s still worth settling for less evil. Motorola and Google are not that.

      • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
        4·
        20 days ago

        Basically I think it’s worth trying to avoid buying things from people who want to do you harm

        There is no option like that. The most ethical hardware option is probably Fairphone but they’re still ultimately selling you spy devices that will phone all your data back to Google, which is far more harmful than even throwing a couple bucks back at Google directly for hardware that will probably end up costing them more money than it makes them when you remove all their spyware.

        • cabbage@piefed.socialEnglish
          3·
          20 days ago

          I use a degoogled Fairphone. No money going to Google when I bought it, no data going to Google while I use it. You can also buy Fairphones new without Google Android.

          more harmful than even throwing a couple bucks back at Google directly for hardware that will probably end up costing them more money than it makes them when you remove all their spyware.

          This seems delusional. Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.

          • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            20 days ago

            Even if they don’t run on huge profits from selling their devices you end up supporting their market dominance.

            This seems delusional. Google does not enjoy any hardware “market dominance”. They make up just over 1% of the hardware market.

            • cabbage@piefed.socialEnglish
              1·
              20 days ago

              And yet they have the entire industry in the palm of their hand.

              For me it’s a no-brainer. I don’t buy products from Google, Amazon, Musk, Zuckerberg, or anyone else who obviously want to do me harm. Any path towards a better world sold to me by the people who are busy destroying the current one will be treated with immense scepticism.

              I don’t see much point arguing further why I wouldn’t buy my privacy respecting hardware from Google or de facto Flock. We probably have different priorities.

              • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
                1·
                20 days ago

                I don’t buy products from Google, Amazon, Musk, Zuckerberg, or anyone else who obviously want to do me harm

                So you live in a cabin in the woods?

                We probably have different priorities.

                Absolutely we do. I care more about privacy and security than I do about throwing a few bucks at Google’s hardware division.

                • cabbage@piefed.socialEnglish
                  1·
                  20 days ago

                  I care more about privacy and security than I do about throwing a few bucks at Google’s hardware division.

                  And I’m more worried about surveillance capitalism, the rise of fascism, attacks on software freedom, the unsustainable exploitation of natural resources, and modern day slavery than I am about extremely targeted local security threats. But I also respect that others have different threat models. Some journalists and community organizers in [aspiring] dictatorships need higher security standards than I do, and they are only able to meet these standards because enthusiasts choose to make it a priority.

                  I live in Europe, and I don’t find it very difficult to avoid overly evil shit. I wouldn’t travel to the US, and if I did I wouldn’t want to bring any personal electronics with me.

                  • artyom@piefed.socialEnglish
                    1·
                    20 days ago

                    I live in Europe, and I don’t find it very difficult to avoid overly evil shit

                    Then learn from Americans. Because that “overly evil shit” flew in overnight. God knows Europe has its share of evil shit in history.