I actually feel the opposite. I know the old ones you were talking about and those do suck, but on streaming apps the subtitles are often in the way of things in the show. Even worse, I’ve seen subtitles go over the top of baked in subtitles in the show, sometimes obscuring text with worse text. The most extreme example being a character speaking another language in the show, the show has baked in subtitles for it, and the streaming app subtitles cover it up and say “speaking Chinese”… Yes I’ve really seen that happen more than once. 🤦♂️
Oh all those things you’re talking about are absolutely still problems, but I feel like they’ve been problems for as long as we’ve had subtitles. And that’s why I want the second screen subtitles that could go below what I’m watching.
Good subtitling is amazing, and it was better in the closed caption days, but it was super rare and there’s no reason modern subtitles can’t do it. It could get out of the way, differentiate speakers, even do tone.
Fell down a bit of a rabbit hole there actually, it looks like YouTube doesn’t allow positioning even in formats that have it except WebVTT (Bad google). And the most common format .srt doesn’t allow formatting at all. Positioning is a vital accessibility feature, and the rest of formatting is just nice to have. Color differentiating speakers etc can be awesome and really just subtitles can add to content beyond just being an accessibility feature.
And yeah, use .vtt captions where possible I guess, especially if you’re the one making them. It looks really good at only adding complexity where you choose it.
100% agree on positioning. I think a big issue with that is also that most captions are generated now as far as I can tell, and sometime don’t even get the words or spelling right. Positioning being added in a world where they won’t even have a human check it seems unlikely 😑
I actually feel the opposite. I know the old ones you were talking about and those do suck, but on streaming apps the subtitles are often in the way of things in the show. Even worse, I’ve seen subtitles go over the top of baked in subtitles in the show, sometimes obscuring text with worse text. The most extreme example being a character speaking another language in the show, the show has baked in subtitles for it, and the streaming app subtitles cover it up and say “speaking Chinese”… Yes I’ve really seen that happen more than once. 🤦♂️
Oh all those things you’re talking about are absolutely still problems, but I feel like they’ve been problems for as long as we’ve had subtitles. And that’s why I want the second screen subtitles that could go below what I’m watching.
Good subtitling is amazing, and it was better in the closed caption days, but it was super rare and there’s no reason modern subtitles can’t do it. It could get out of the way, differentiate speakers, even do tone.
Fell down a bit of a rabbit hole there actually, it looks like YouTube doesn’t allow positioning even in formats that have it except WebVTT (Bad google). And the most common format .srt doesn’t allow formatting at all. Positioning is a vital accessibility feature, and the rest of formatting is just nice to have. Color differentiating speakers etc can be awesome and really just subtitles can add to content beyond just being an accessibility feature.
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And yeah, use .vtt captions where possible I guess, especially if you’re the one making them. It looks really good at only adding complexity where you choose it.
100% agree on positioning. I think a big issue with that is also that most captions are generated now as far as I can tell, and sometime don’t even get the words or spelling right. Positioning being added in a world where they won’t even have a human check it seems unlikely 😑
Yeah I agree. But also, generate, correct, position where needed. Yes it adds to editing time, but it also drastically adds to video quality.