• Estiar@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    The theory that it’s connected to Israel sounds tenuous at best. It sounds anti-semitic at worst. Kirk was spreading American Evangelicalism which is a direct boon to Israel because the biggest non-jewish Zionists are evangelical.

    I’ve seen the trope way too many times, where the shadowy Jews are killing the elites and are obviously responsible for everything from vaccines and autism to killing JFK to leaking war plans in the Dryfus affair. The further you get away from the nation state of Israel, the less likely I am to believe that Israel is to blame. We’ll probably figure out why he was killed in the end. Or maybe not

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      11 hours ago

      In this particular event i don’t believe he was murdered by Israel but there is verifiable false flags by israel that’s why many people fall into conspiracy theories. Even lies against israel is not antisemetic because israel do not represent jews in fact murdered many jews in history.

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        9 hours ago

        Even that can be a bit blurry. When it comes to criticizing Israel, the guidance I have is to be specific. There’s a big difference between saying that Israel is creating an apartheid state in the West Bank, vs Isreal controls the US government. And one has to be a little more on their facts, because anti-semites will use legitimate criticism of the state of Israel to mask their antisemitism. The poster who started this comment thread is much more so the ladder especially by doubling down with the crypto red-pill bs.

        I’m going to refer to the GOAT, Philosophy Tube and her video on anti-Semitism

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          9 hours ago

          There’s a big difference between saying that Israel is creating an apartheid state in the West Bank, vs Isreal controls the US government.

          I think most people use influence and control interchangeably. Israel influence on western countries to make them silent against genocide and settler colonialism is a fact

          anti-semites will use legitimate criticism of the state of Israel to mask their antisemitism

          Islamophobic people will use legitimate opposition of ISIS to portray all Muslims are bloodthirsty. The point is yes everything could be weaponed by bigots . There are antisemitic people who will lie about Israel but it doesn’t mean every person even lying about Israel is antisemitic because Israel do not represent all jews .

          The exact same dynamic applies to Saudi Arabia, where valid opposition to authoritarian governance is sometimes pushed to extremes, resulting in manufactured falsehoods and deliberate exaggerations

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      2 days ago

      Tenuous or no, it’s true. Shit is a lot worse than you guys think, I’ve been trying to tell you. Wake the fuck up.

      Yeah, you saw, through the palantir stone, thinking you are strong enough to defy sauron. You aren’t, none of us, not even I entirely.

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          2 days ago

          Israel and factions of their US and Euro allies are the nazis, and we all know it.

          Which does question your character. Are you a fucking tool of them? Or just a (probably less than,) half wit?