• Nouvellalia@lemmy.world
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    The original journalists who spent years putting this together, an Israeli Jewish publication. This is real investigative journalism.

    https://archive.is/akRuR

    From the article:

    (Israel) insisted on not escalating and diligently preserving the ‘asset’ named Hamas

    It is a long read but very worth it. If I had to summarize:

    Israel wanted to keep Hamas as a bogeyman to justify their fascist government. They needed an enemy strong enough to scare people, but not strong enough to defeat them.

    Hamas begged Israel to negotiate peace. Israel strung them along for years and years and years. Hamas warned Israel the attack was coming if they didn’t sign agreements they had already promised to sign.

    Hamas warned Israeli allies, to try and talk sense into Israel. Hamas warned more allies. Many countries tried to talk sense into Israel, but Israel only wanted to preserve the ‘asset’ named Hamas, and peace wouldn’t do that.

    Faced with the truth, an enemy next door with far more power, who had trapped them in a ghetto and planned to keep it active permanently for generations, Hamas did something terrible to break the unwinnable situation Israel and its well funded allies had created.

    During the October 7th attack Israel ordered their soldiers to shoot all captured IDF soldiers and Israeli citizens. Israel wanted an excuse for genocide, more than they wanted their people alive.

    The day after Hamas attacked they reached out and offered to release all hostages, and all they wanted in return was for Israel to come back to the negotiation table they had refused to honor before, and to allow a mediator to attend. Israel refused.

    Hamas was going to release all hostages immediately, for just the public promise that Israel would attend peace negotiations, and Israel refused. Israel wanted the excuse for genocide, more than they wanted their citizens.

    Israel wanted only destruction. They cultivated only destruction for decades. We see them now, as they have always been.

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      That archive link isn’t working.

      Hamas did something terrible to break the unwinnable situation Israel and its well funded allies had created.

      Not quite. Hamas decided to attack Israel, which is well within their right to do and which did help their cause. They also decided to kill a bunch of civilians along the way, which they had no right to do and which actually hurt their cause. This is something that gets misunderstood during discourse about October 7th: October 7th wasn’t just about killing a bunch of people; Hamas seems to have had clear strategic goals and they committed atrocities that didn’t help those strategic goals. What I want to say is: October 7th wasn’t a terrible but necessary act; it included both terrible acts and necessary acts and for the most part there’s little overlap between the two.

  • Dr_Uggs@piefed.social
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    only very naive people can believe the story that 1500 Hammas terrorists walked, scootered and paraglided over one of the most guarded borders in the world and that the IDF didn’t know it before hand or at the time. And also that the IDF took a couple of hours to react. The same IDF that later knew where they could find the same terrorists 20 meters under the ground, under a 10 story building. then again people tend to be very naive.

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    This is a tired conspiracy that always gets framed as ignoring an obvious warning.

    Yes there was a warning but whats ignored is that there are constantly warnings of an attack because there is constantly attacks. They looked into the warnings and it seemed very unlikely they would fly over the wall or escalate beyond small hit and run rocket attacks.

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      Um…did you read the article?

      Because it specifically says that the warnings (and methods of communication) were not typical.

      But this time, the call initiated by bin Zayed was unusual. A week and a half before October 7, 2023 the Emirati ruler called Netanyahu from the Presidential Palace in Abu Dhabi and spoke with him for 45 minutes.

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      because there is constantly attacks.

      Source? AFAIK Hamas mostly does rocket attacks, not boots on the ground operations.

      They looked into the warnings and it seemed very unlikely they would fly over the wall or escalate beyond small hit and run rocket attacks.

      I mean, it’s part of the IDF’s job to respond to small hit and run attacks, being the Israeli Defense Force. Instead they were in the West Bank terrorizing Palestinians. Even if they underestimated the scale of the attack, they were warned by multiple sources that there would be a major attack soon.

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      As much as I want to believe Israel was warned before hand and that they allowed it this is still a very reasonable explanation, they were warned but that probably happens a lot because of all the false alarms.

      I do know they are engaging in genocide tho.