Strong…no?? 😭
Weak. Very, very weak (me).

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    Oh it absolutely is! And also, me getting offended every time I see someone who has had negative experience with men isn’t going to do anything to fix that.

    The right way to respond to someone who has been harmed by patriarchy, is to be empathetic but not make it about yourself. You can’t argue someone out of abuse they may have suffered

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      When I meet someone who has negative experience with people of color who says they hate black people because of it, I call that person a racist.

      It’s really easy to wax poetically about inclusivity, and the importance of fighting hatred and and prejudice as concepts in a vacuum. The true challenge to those ideals is when reality happens and people are hurt. Is equality and inclusivity just an aesthetic? Something that makes you seem magnanimous whenever you extend your grace to people you perceive have less power than you? Or is it something real, something difficult, something that can withstand being tested?

      Hatred is harmful to the person doing the hating, and harmful to society. TERF’s exist as examples of how hating men can make the world worst place. They start by making excuses about how the power imbalance makes it pay to hate men, and yet because of the power imbalance the hatred seeks out the only target it can: trans women.

      You are correct that you cannot argue people put of the abuse they have suffered. The challenge lies within each of us to look within ourselves and challenge our own prejudices, even the ones we might try to justify.

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        TERFs don’t hate men fyi. They hate trans people, specifically trans women. They actually love allying with sexist conservative men. Also consider the power involved in someone’s hatred. If a white person hates black people it results in discrimination and violence because our society is white supremacist and specifically benefits white people for upholding anti black racism. If a black person hates white people it has virtually no effect on white people because our society is white supremacist. It’s the same deal with women who hate men.

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        Thank you for using Black Suffering™ to defend [all men]. If there is anything else Black people can do for you today, please don’t hesitate to ask!

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      “Don’t make this about yourself” is an odd response to “You shouldn’t hate any category of person” :/

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        I agree that in the abstract, no category of person deserve hate. In the abstract, all categories of people are equally prone to the good and bad elements of human nature.

        However, in the context of social interaction, you have to use empathy. I don’t think hate is ever justified but on the other hand, social safety for anyone who isn’t a straight, white, cisgender hetero normative male is not great right now.

        it’s not my place to judge the experience of someone with less privilege than me. That doesn’t mean I agree with them or think it’s fine to hate. I’m just not qualified to have that conversation.