Literally explained how the two things I said make sense together and he banned me for “not manning up to lying”
…Ironically in doing so, he did not man up about his falsehood, which is that I said contradictory things.
PTB always has been lol
The last comment is such an eye roller. If they don’t want to see comments from you then they should block you.
Normally I would, but can’t as mod.
Couldn’t handle not blocking so you banned them? Pathetic.
It’s a bad idea for a mod to block a user, because then I’d never be able to see anything they do.
Besides, it’s always a temp-ban, it isn’t even active anymore
You shouldn’t use mod powers because you’re not allowed to use non-mod ones.
I did read the whole thing, and this is PTB.
Only because, as a mod, you don’t just ban someone because they keep arguing with you. On dbzer0, we have the disengage rule- if mods want to ban someone for arguing, they should implement that.
Multiple users made reports on him, and he also made reports on them. Most of which are ‘arguing in bad faith’ – Both of them. What would you do when a user doesn’t understand stop or move on?
I’m glad you asked!
You stop replying.
It’s that simple. If they’re arguing in bad faith, if they’re a troll, if they’re a person who’s unstable who’s fighting because they get a kick out of it, all these things have the exact same result.
A fire starves without oxygen. Stop feeding the person by replying to them, and they’ll often fade right out. I do it constantly. (Though I’ve been known to engage when my ADHD is acting up. Or when I hyperfocus on providing data in my replies.)
It’s so insane to me that people have forgotten this, or they just choose to ignore it. Tell the person you’re arguing with that you clearly don’t see eye-to-eye, and you’re not enjoying the discussion, so “feel free to reply, but I won’t be answering.” Done. The argument ends. If the other person replies lots of times, acts up, starts fighting other people, it proves they’re a problem person. If they let it die, as most people tend to, then who cares? No further action needed.
I did stop replying, but then Communist started DMing me. There were also the reports on him, and by him.
You mentioned that already. If you are arguing with someone, you can stop.
Other people reporting them for being rude, while they’re arguing with you, doesn’t actually support your action. I know it feels like it’s not fair that a regular user can argue with you, and you’re supposed to take it, but that comes with the territory of being a mod.
If someone is tilting you, or annoying you, or arguing and you are making no progress, you need to learn to disengage and move on. You don’t need to reply to someone just because you believe they’re wrong. People will always be wrong on the internet.
What a PTB. Clearly has an anticommunist axe to grind.
The craziest part for me is that i was just explaining what communists believe, i didn’t even endorse them, and he decided it was an argument that needed to be crushed, and I don’t think anybody who knows anything about communist philosophy would disagree with any of the things I said. He doesn’t have an axe to grind against communism, just his imaginary, completely undefined and arbitrary version of it that is comprised of whatever he doesn’t like.
I’m not explicitly anti-communist. I’m suspicious of them because communism is unrealistic.
Yeah, that really doesn’t track and has nothing to do with your duties as a mod.
That seems like an opinion that should have nothing to do whatsoever with moderating.
Regardless, bro literally told you what they actually meant in a way that was both polite and made sense, and whether you like what they meant or not, declaring that you know the inside of someone else’s head better than they do is not the right move, and is a clear sign of abuse of power.
yeah i don’t care, they’re unbanned now and weren’t banned when they made the post either.
Nice response. Totally doesn’t scream “power tripping twat”. I already unsubbed your comm, and I’m definitely blocking you.
you take this lemmy thing a bit too seriously lol
It’s because you continue to argue with users even after they’ve asked you to stop. You’ve had multiple reports, and you’ve also made multiple reports of your own.
If you’re reporting the person you’re arguing with, and they’re also reporting you, then it’s not very productive, is it? So to satisfy your urge to argue, I engaged with you until you said nonsense about what Marx said, and I countered with a direct quote from him. But despite that, you ignored it and changed your phrasing, and made a thread to brigade, as you often do.
And all bans are temporary anyway, even now you’re unbanned and free to resume arguing. Bans on the community work with a warning first, then a ban, but bans only last 24 hours, and each subsequent infraction doubles the amount. You may request an unban at any time, which you never did. No other community on Lemmy is as lenient. None of your comments are removed. I also get a lot of DMs and a lot of harassment from Tankies, they’ve even tried to dox me a few times. MOG is the only active community that stands against them, and I’ve seen every method they use, which you are using. From the community’s perspective, you are one of these tankies, and as moderator, I have to put the community first before a single user.
You also messaged me 15 different times to continue arguing, often within the same 24 hours of your ban. What do you expect me to do when you ignore your ban, just to argue directly? What do you expect me to do when you report every user you’re arguing with? What do you expect me to do when you don’t know what no means? You can’t control yourself. As I said multiple times, you’re not looking to argue but instead to harass, which you are right now doing by making this thread.
You are a sealion. You were banned for harassing multiple users. And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud. – Again, you’re unbanned with no comments removed
Interesting.
It’s because you continue to argue with users even after they’ve asked you to stop. You’ve had multiple reports, and you’ve also made multiple reports of your own.
Give me even one example of this, i did it to you because you falsely accused me of something, which of course, i have the right to explain myself.
If you’re reporting the person you’re arguing with, and they’re also reporting you, then it’s not very productive, is it?
Yeah, I did report you before I realized you were a moderator, because you were arguing in terrible faith.
So to satisfy your urge to argue, I engaged with you until you said nonsense about what Marx said, and I countered with a direct quote from him.
You countered me with a direct quote that had nothing to do with what I said… that did not in fact contradict anything I said. I said marx did not give a specific implementation of communism, the quote you gave INCLUDES A STATE, and is thus, obviously not an implementation of communism. He never claims to give an implementation of communism, he’s just giving a description of a country that might someday become communist, not one that is currently. It’s well-known in circles of marxist scholars that marx never gave a specific implementation of communism.
But despite that, you ignored it and changed your phrasing, and made a thread to brigade, as you often do.
I did not ignore it, I explained precisely why it was incorrect, and i’m obviously right about this, it’s very straightforward logic
at the end of history there will be no state, communism is the end of history, therefore that is not an implementation of communism because it has a state doing things.
You also messaged me 15 different times to continue arguing, often within the same 24 hours of your ban. What do you expect me to do when you ignore your ban, just to argue directly?
Yes, because you falsely accused me of lying and I wanted to clarify that I did not in fact lie, and that anybody could easily see that you are arguing in bad faith. I wanted you to unban me because my ban was not justified.
What do you expect me to do when you report every user you’re arguing with?
I have only ever reported you.
What do you expect me to do when you don’t know what no means?
Retract your false accusations, man up to the fact that you were wrong.
As I said multiple times, you’re not looking to argue but instead to harass, which you are right now doing by making this thread.
Nope, this thread is looking for justice to you harrassing ME. I gave a friendly informational post about communism, you harrassed me for it, anybody can see that. That’s why you’re universally getting a PTB.
You are a sealion. You were banned for harassing multiple users.
That’s false, I was banned for this interaction with you, point to the other users i harassed. Give even one example.
And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud.
You got reported because your arguments were so bad that I genuinely believed you were trolling me, only for me to be incredibly shocked that you are a moderator.
And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud. – Again, you’re unbanned with no comments removed
I have engaged with EVERY SINGLE claim that has been made in a civil and calm manner. Find even one example of a point i have ignored or not addressed, i challenge you.
I think sealioning is a nonsense excuse you’re peddling because you want your arguments to just go your way by force. You didn’t even go “don’t these points contradict?” and give me the opportunity to explain myself, you just instantly banned me. I think that’s a very convenient excuse for you. A sealion wouldn’t reply to all of your points openly, and directly, they would avoid your points and bring up random unrelated nonsense. I did not ignore anything you said, and you falsely accused me of things and harrassed me, that’s why you’re here, for being a PTB. And this is easily and demonstrably NOT your first time here.
edit: you massively edited your comment so i’m going to just address this:
You may request an unban at any time, which you never did
that’s literally the first request I made to which you said
When I requested I didn’t realize it wasn’t permanent.
i’m curious why you’d say that if i never requested an unban, but sure.
and yeah I get dm’s can be easily faked but honestly just think about it what are the odds that I didn’t request an unban…
MOG is the only active community that stands against them, and I’ve seen every method they use, which you are using. From the community’s perspective, you are one of these tankies, and as moderator, I have to put the community first before a single user.
I have not done anything that anybody dealing with a PTB wouldn’t do.
I have not made a single pro-authoritarian post in my entire accounts history, feel free to look, i’m not a tankie, regardless of any biases you and your users hold. Also, if you and your users hold the view that i’m a tankie and can’t even point to one instance of me being authoritarian, that’s pretty embarrassing. An entire community of tankie haters that can’t even identify one?
