OTTAWA — It's illegal for kids under 18 to buy tobacco products in Canada and there's a movement afoot to make sure today's youth are never allowed to light up a cigarette — even after they come of age.
Treating vaping like smoking is wrong, though. They are nothing alike besides containing nicotine.
And you can’t even compare that because the forms of nicotine are different. The one used in modern vapes is only about 12% as bioavailable as the nicotine in tobacco.
Vaping is 95% less harmful, but there’s a gigantic misinformation campaign against it. Most studies that show that vaping produces harmful substances either had methodology that was designed to produce harmful results by using the devices in ways humans wouldn’t, or the scientific reporting on the study grossly misrepresented the findings to make vapes sound scary.
Public health interventions can do far more than banning! The reason it tooks so long to treat vaping as smoking is the far lesser danger of vaping for health (if you put aside the US studies).
This has nothing to do with health. We could cure death and everyone would still think smoking is the deadliest thing ever. I realized this 20 years ago while reading a book on nano technology that posited that we could cure death someday with it.
And I thought “That’d be great. Then I can smoke and not worry.” But then immediately I thought, “That can’t be right!” And I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out how smoking would be bad for me in a scenario where it’s impossible for it to be bad for me. When I present this puzzle to others, they do the same thing.
Because when you have a scenario where if you get cancer all you do is take a pill full of nanobots and you’re cured, it’s working kind of hard to find a problem with that. Admit it. It feels icky and wrong to say “It’s okay to smoke”. There’s a part of you that feels guilty for writing what you just wrote. What if a child reads that and starts smoking because of what you said?
I have absolutely no guilt at saying that if there were no health problem, smoking would be totally ok ; and even sometimes recommanded, since the benefice/risk balance would become positive. Yet for now, smoking bring health issue and it is therefore better for your health that you avoid smoking. But should you smoke, it would not be wrong, but dangerous (for you).
You and I may be standing outside Plato’s Cave, but most people are stuck inside. Imagine if we got control of the Star Trek franchise and made it canon that smoking has zero health effects.
Riker goes to sick bay and Dr. Crusher scans him. She has a Marlboro red dangling from the side of her mouth. She says, “You have stage four lung cancer.”
She injects him with the hypospray. “There. It’ll be gone by tomorrow. Get back to work.”
Riker goes to the bridge. Geordi is smoking a Marlboro Light 100. There’s an ashtray on the console. Data is smoking his pipe, of course. Troi sits. She elegantly and languidly sucks on a long, glamorous Eve 120 cigarette. Picard comes on to the bridge with a huge Churchill cigar clenched between his teeth. Worf turns around and he’s got an even bigger cigar, some Klingon brand, blood red and fluted or some other kind of weird alien design.
You and I see no problem. But everybody else would be saying, “Dear Lord! This is a family show! Do you want this to be part of their image?!”
Soda and fast food not being associated with health problems in the USA makes that you can find such things with this products in many american productions. It makes the characters closer to the public, and so it may even be something americans like. And the brands pay to show their products. Europeans, often find it too much, because we have health sensibilisation against such.
Old productions used quite a lot of tabaco products, also as integrated advertising. In the USA and in Europe. Until it became famous it was bad for health… Prestigious sports such as Formula 1, kept advertising tabaco until advertising for cigarettes got banned. And it was banned by a political decision for public health, not because of a public reaction against it.
Health is the core of the attacks on tabaco ; if a treatment could cure health problems in 24h, tabaco sellers would soon make it a product “cool” again and make all the adds they can to make sure most people smoke their 40 cigarettes a day. That would include paying some show to dare scene as you describe. And the public would soon get used to it.
Black market suffer too much after loosing hand on canabis?
Which prohibition has ever been good for health?
Also the other history notr: we literally did win against cigarettes with public health interventions.
Then we defunded public health and for some reason aslo took a decade to start treating vaping as smoking.
Treating vaping like smoking is wrong, though. They are nothing alike besides containing nicotine.
And you can’t even compare that because the forms of nicotine are different. The one used in modern vapes is only about 12% as bioavailable as the nicotine in tobacco.
Vaping is 95% less harmful, but there’s a gigantic misinformation campaign against it. Most studies that show that vaping produces harmful substances either had methodology that was designed to produce harmful results by using the devices in ways humans wouldn’t, or the scientific reporting on the study grossly misrepresented the findings to make vapes sound scary.
Public health interventions can do far more than banning! The reason it tooks so long to treat vaping as smoking is the far lesser danger of vaping for health (if you put aside the US studies).
This has nothing to do with health. We could cure death and everyone would still think smoking is the deadliest thing ever. I realized this 20 years ago while reading a book on nano technology that posited that we could cure death someday with it.
And I thought “That’d be great. Then I can smoke and not worry.” But then immediately I thought, “That can’t be right!” And I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out how smoking would be bad for me in a scenario where it’s impossible for it to be bad for me. When I present this puzzle to others, they do the same thing.
Even without die of it, I would still prefer to avoid cancer. And smoking clearly rise the risk to have one.
Also, a cure we may have someday, is just a call to found research, not a real promise. Don’t build anything on such.
Sure, but if we can’t imagine a scenario where it’s okay to smoke, then it’s clearly a moral issue and nothing else.
Cancer is an health issue. Without health consequences at all, smoking would not be a problem.
I don’t see how moral could be related to smoking…
Well there is also the part that it stinks like shit
Because when you have a scenario where if you get cancer all you do is take a pill full of nanobots and you’re cured, it’s working kind of hard to find a problem with that. Admit it. It feels icky and wrong to say “It’s okay to smoke”. There’s a part of you that feels guilty for writing what you just wrote. What if a child reads that and starts smoking because of what you said?
I have absolutely no guilt at saying that if there were no health problem, smoking would be totally ok ; and even sometimes recommanded, since the benefice/risk balance would become positive. Yet for now, smoking bring health issue and it is therefore better for your health that you avoid smoking. But should you smoke, it would not be wrong, but dangerous (for you).
You and I may be standing outside Plato’s Cave, but most people are stuck inside. Imagine if we got control of the Star Trek franchise and made it canon that smoking has zero health effects.
Riker goes to sick bay and Dr. Crusher scans him. She has a Marlboro red dangling from the side of her mouth. She says, “You have stage four lung cancer.”
She injects him with the hypospray. “There. It’ll be gone by tomorrow. Get back to work.”
Riker goes to the bridge. Geordi is smoking a Marlboro Light 100. There’s an ashtray on the console. Data is smoking his pipe, of course. Troi sits. She elegantly and languidly sucks on a long, glamorous Eve 120 cigarette. Picard comes on to the bridge with a huge Churchill cigar clenched between his teeth. Worf turns around and he’s got an even bigger cigar, some Klingon brand, blood red and fluted or some other kind of weird alien design.
You and I see no problem. But everybody else would be saying, “Dear Lord! This is a family show! Do you want this to be part of their image?!”
meanwhile mom and dad just got home from a shift at the bomb and munitions production factory in butt fuck no where.
fuck false morality
Soda and fast food not being associated with health problems in the USA makes that you can find such things with this products in many american productions. It makes the characters closer to the public, and so it may even be something americans like. And the brands pay to show their products. Europeans, often find it too much, because we have health sensibilisation against such.
Old productions used quite a lot of tabaco products, also as integrated advertising. In the USA and in Europe. Until it became famous it was bad for health… Prestigious sports such as Formula 1, kept advertising tabaco until advertising for cigarettes got banned. And it was banned by a political decision for public health, not because of a public reaction against it.
Health is the core of the attacks on tabaco ; if a treatment could cure health problems in 24h, tabaco sellers would soon make it a product “cool” again and make all the adds they can to make sure most people smoke their 40 cigarettes a day. That would include paying some show to dare scene as you describe. And the public would soon get used to it.